The Tipperary GAA Discussion Thread

I'm not against chance. I'm not against young players. I'm against expecting too much of young players and throwing them in without being prepared and harming their development.

That management team has seen it all and developed players at most levels. Look at what Egan has been involved with Kiladangan and how they've changed their structures and changed the culture of a club to county champions. If those players were ready, they'd have been in. Tipp are in transition and throwing people in to try and get them experience is counterproductive when they're not ready.

Sheedy went with a team for the trophies. I wouldn't have it any other way. If you played those young lads you wouldn't have improved Tipp's chances or gained anything for those young lads.

They got a taste in the league and some of them in the championship. And they came away feeling I should have played, not that I got beaten. Confidence intact. There's thinking behind this. You don't flog the good china - you take it out when it matters. These boys are the future and not to be just used willy nilly. They're not ready. They're being developed in the right manner. Not what's best for Liam Sheedy or Dunne or anyone, it's what's best for Tipp. Those young lads, and over ten of them, just spent two to three years with some of the best players we've had in Tipp in a long time. It will stand to them and they'll be spending a bit more time with some of them yet. There's knowledge and experience there to be passed on. There's a right and a wrong way of doing things.

Oh someone got blocked down? Did they? A lot of people on both sides got blocked down. Away to bed.

There is nobody of the calibre of Paudie in this group of young talent. That's a fact. Paudie took the jersey and nobody could take it off him and still can't.

Of course, he went for trophies. There's a big difference between going for trophies and not being able to win them.

Nobody is wrapping anybody up. You just don't get it. They're not ready. The most that can be got from them without jeopardising their development has been got. They'll be in a much better spot to take off now. They've been part of a panel that won an all-Ireland - got onto the field during it, and tasted defeat without blame. Perfect set up to take off. Anybody talking about the young lads development as delayed is off their heads, rage posting because Tipp lost.

Leave out the years they won the all ireland. embarrassing.

Been reading these forums for a long long time. To the victor the spoils it seems. We posted a huge score, left it behind us. I would say we lost that game more than Waterford won it, but they deserved it more than us. The talent is there, just need a refresh.

Do I think Sheedys time is up, yes. And I hope Cahill is the one to replace him. But I would not be as doomsday as many here looking back on Sundays performance. It was a bad day and a mixture of things not one single thing. I would lay the reason for the loss across the backroom, poor shot selection and on more poor refereeing. Any 1 of those 3 things goes our way and we win the game.

We looked undercooked and sloppy on Saturday and it wasnt just the older guys, it was across the board, young and old. The team were not at their peak and that goes on the backroom team. As many handling errors as I have seen in nearly the last 3 years condensed into 1 game. We handed Waterford 1-4 in the first half from sloppiness and lack of sharpness. Not even from manic pressure, just sloppiness. There was another 1-2 at the end after the game was lost. We also took low % shots at crucial times with time and space when Waterford looked to have lost that yard of speed in the late stages. The referee handed them 1-1 in the 2nd half plus a clear foul by the sideline that he didnt give us. We were 2 down into injury time after that penalty call so it did impact the course of the game but ultimately it was the scores we handed Waterford that irked me the most.

Though they may not have 70 still in them it is clear Callinan and McGrath still have something to give. McGrath is a step up in form away from being still there or there abouts as the best on the team. Paudie and Brendan Maher probably closer to his end. Bonner Maher was apparently leading in fitness and speed tests in training. No reason he does not have another big season in him. These guys may have to take a back seat but their experience is needed to transition now.

I will say that bar the Clare penalty, refereeing decisions over Sheedys 3 years have not gone our way. Wexford were practically handed 10 points from poor decisions. Barretts red non red in 2020 v Galway going against us, Gillane and Flanagan non red reds in the Munster final, the penalty call yesterday. All game defining decisions. Add to that in the past years, the 2014 League Final, the abuse Callinan got in the 2015 semi final and no red to Galway, the penalty in 2009, Tyrrell on Callinan in 2009 and even Tommy Walsh in the 2011 final opening the refs nose while trying to strike a Tipp player. We've nearly come to accept it at this stage.

Next year I want to see Kehoe, Caddell and Brian McGrath make the step up. Connolly looks a great prospect and Ger Browne to come back in. Someone mentioned he was on the bench for Cashel last weekend but correct me if I am wrong, I believe that was a game against Knockavilla, so completely understandable. Ryan O'Dwyer spoke very highly of him last week.

It will not take long to revive this team, 3 or so changes. The game was lost not on speed, but sharpness. The tools were there to kill Waterford, we just didnt use them. Think about it, nearly a Waterford performance for the ages and they still couldnt shake us at our worst.

Next year we could put out a team with Kehoe, Browne, Brian McGrath coming in to join Caddell and Morris. John McGraths is a form issue, solvable. Bubbles still has 1 to 2 big years in him. Breen, Flynn, McCormack, Heffernan, Ronan Maher still improving. Barrett showing no sign of slowing down. There is so much there to be positive about. Christ, Callinan could have come away with 3 goals and on top of that who knows what else if he had been fed proper ball and this with no pre-season!

The ball hasnt bounced our way these last 2 years. And still only a puck of the ball away both years.

Well said

You warn me for this!

And yet like a post that contains this: "Childish bombasity at its finest. The arrogance off this post is simply astounding."

Is that enaging with a post? Is that attacking the poster? Is that using evidence and discussion?

The double standards are off the charts.

And if you actually engaged with the thread and appeared sooner none of this would have developed.

You also warned me for asking a straight forward question. I asked someone if they followed the club scene - some people just follow inter county - a straightforward question, and I'm warned for that.

All knowing, is it?

strange how we ended up removing Morris from the game when a carbon copy on the waterford side in Prendergast had such an impact on their game running from deep, Jake left to flounder inside with Seamie when he would revel in that role, Noel is a legend and a magician but if u can't defend against the runner or threaten going the other way by going past your man then it's hard to justify why u would play a deep role in the middle 3rd v waterford...or limerick for that matter (who would have been the team to beat in a potential final), pinging balls 90 yards to tightly marked forwards turning into a sweeper was a terrible percentage ball as well as being predictable, we had a spoiler in Alan Flynn on the ball way too often in the middle 3rd when we actually won possession then. Interesting input from Ken hogan on Dalo podcast, First team being beaten by the B team in training, Mark kehoe fired his hurley into the ground after the final whistle, I can imagine his frustration having the form, pace & skills to take on Waterford backs and only getting 20 mins to do it..

Mod Warning:

A poster was warned re his/her posting style.

That should be the end of the matter and does not mean it is open season to attack that poster.

You're right. Hopefully, Tynan will turn out to be a Dessie Hutchinson type. A tall order, but he has the speed, anyway. And maybe the Billy McCarthy investment might work out too and he can get back to play for Tipp again, another direct runner.