Lets be real here: The Children's Hospital is a scam

jmayo wrote: »

Of course anyone that disagrees with your esteemed self and all the other esteemed experts that are now costing the taxpayers present and future billions in creating a new children's hospital in a totally ill fitting site are ranting and rambling.

Oh the arrogance is dripping out of you.

It is that type of arrogant attitude that has this country fooked more times than enough.

And it is people like yourself who will excuse this shyte, under the pretense that this hospital has to be beside all the best public transport links, links that half the fooking country can't use, or that it has to be beside a certain adult hospital that has allowed this shyte show of a wastage of public money to occur and prosper.

Going by the colocation argument one would think we can never build another hospital lest it now be beside one of the existing ones.

Yes your relative might like the option of public transport, but lets have a show of hands of people not alone around the country, but in Dublin itself that would prefer to take their sick kids on public transport to hospital.

Green gobshytes need not reply.

Well there's no point in arguing with an idiot is there? If you go back about 10-15 pages on this thread, the entire IR, co-location arguments were done to death and if you think the only consideration in building a hospital is car drivers, then I'll leave you on.

I am neither a Green Party supporter or member but do you know what - sometimes people see that putting a hospital on an already choked motorway network (or wherever you were going to put it) without giving people any alternative for getting there via public transport is a terrible idea.

You might want to have a look at where Great Ormond Street hospital is located in London. Right in the middle. Because recruiting the top doctors, nurses, admin staff to hospitals, etc is much easier where you've a critical volume mass. As well as the IR argument with moving them miles away from their current location.

Now I'm sure that things like that are beyond your intelligence in rural Mayo but that's the way life is. You say the arrogance is dripping out of me - I say your lack of education is dripping out of you (By the way, you lowered the debate to this level and I'll add you to my ignore list and you can write whatever nonsense you want to spout next).

And by the way - I don't see what I "excused" - I have repeatedly criticised the overspend on this hospital.

Anyway, the debate is done to death about 15 pages ago so I'll leave you to it.

A new video has dropped

Now >35% complete – aiming to finish construction work by the end of 2023.

If true, this is astonishing and not merely “a fact of life”, it is a product of economic forces and political decisions which will make it extremely costly e.g. to solve the housing crisis.

So the only bit of open space and fresh air for the kids will be lost if they ever need to expand. Did anybody tell these people that our birth rate is falling drastically?

It is hard to escape the feeling that this fancy and expensive design is all about meeting the design requirements on an unsuitable site which was only chosen because the Mater site was rejected by Bord Pleanala. We could have had a better and more beautiful hospital on a greenfield site but that wouldn’t suit the vested interests.

terrible

James staff balloted to strike over the parking at the same location in the past.

I could point out the constant articles and disputes over parking around Temple Street and the Mater and indeed many hospitals around the country.

"See no evil hear no evil" 

But no ones listening anyway.

you'd last 20 mins in china

I wonder if the anger about the delays and escalating cost of the hospital is the motive for the recent arson attack at the site.

The hospital should be outright stopped, and the bill paid be reversed,. This 'hospital' being built is an allegorical monument to the corruption of the Irish government. But it's also a literal monument being built by the FF/FG oligarchs to suck capital out of the peasant class to line the pockets of politicians and private corporations, in the aftermath of the biggest economic depression of the century.

Nobody pays more tax than the underclass of Ireland. It is honestly surprising that not more revolts and direct action on lawmakers have happened. With a country whose history is steeped in rebellion and politcians living in terror that their personal address might be known to extreme actors, it is just incredible that the Irish people continue to bend and break in the face of outright corruption.

So much for better outcomes for people on the list so.

While not the primary concern, parking and access is certainly vital when it comes to the operation of the hospital and can't be ignored. 1000 parking spaces aren't going to be enough.

While there are public transport links to the hospital, you can't bring sick children like the kid below on public transport.

My own view is that the hospital is in the wrong place but as has already been mentioned, there's no going back now.

Ah yes yet another of the excusors of the massive sinkhole that is the new national childrens hospital.

Are you taking up the slack while the others are off on hols.

They selected the site because The Mater site was kicked to touch by planners.

They slected the site based on politics, a lot of it politics within the medical profession and third level education.

James & Trinity get new National Childrens hospital and then Vincents and UCD get New National Maternity hospital.

And look how well that has worked out as well where a religious order and the church are dragged into it.

BTW how many sick kids from around the country are going to come on public transport to this great new hospital ?

I don't know a single parent in Mayo or Sligo that would drive to one of the few rail links to catch a train to Dublin to then queue up to take their kids on the luas to James.

Some smart asses seem to think parents are going to take their paralysed kids, their kids with cancer, their kids with immune deficiences on Irish fooking public transport to a hospital.

Even if you dismiss the fact the vast vast majority of kids visiting for ongoing treatment will use private road transport, you also have to factor in emergency transfers from around the country who will have to travel by ambulance into as good as city centre.

Even if they are transferred by helicopter they will have to take ambulance from offsite as there are no landing pads for heavier helis in James.

And then when you look at the long term there is no room for easy further expansion.

Another total fookup Irish style.

And even worse there are always fookers to excuse it and lecture us about the best outcomes for the kids.

Why don't they have the guts to amdit it is all about the best outcome for the vested interests.

BTW the customers (i.e. the kids in this case) are never really at the top of the list of vested interests when it comes to Irish healthcare.

Staff and representative bodies are always at the top.