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Right Wing Grifters

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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,458 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Is the issue that the right wing are too poor or too mean?

    https:
    //twitter.com/slpng_giants/status/1224489608102043648


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,330 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau




  • Registered Users Posts: 40,458 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Birneybau wrote: »

    He has to cover the legal fees for his DWI somehow


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,330 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    He has to cover the legal fees for his DWI somehow

    Fake News, Deep State, Yadda Yadda Yadda


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,182 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    nthclare wrote: »
    Why don't you ask Deepak Chopra Hay House,and all those liberal spiritual lefty woo people, making up bull sh1T the same thing.

    All those author s lying to the masses

    That's not connected to any political party. In fact more recently a lot of Yogis and karma sutra type gangs have been targeting the right. You see it on you tube. A person comes out with a new yoga ..diet ...animals rights stuff ..then a host of right wing rhetoric and 'Please donate to my patreon'. Ayn Rand is VERY popular with some 'Hippies'.

    Its been proven that the GOP for instance has way more pac scams in fundraising.

    Even on the right ...its one thing for a Christian church to tell people to send their savings to them and be endorsed by the white house.

    Its another for Fox analyst Charles Payne to be paid to push now worthless stocks.

    It's interesting because these scams are now scamming members of the gop ..some quite high up members.

    There were numerous tea party pac scams.


    Back in 2013, Conservative StrikeForce PAC raised $2.2 million in funds vowing to support Ken Cuccinelli’s campaign for governor in Virginia. Court filings and FEC records showed that the PAC only contributed $10,000 to Cuccinelli’s effort.
    Back in 2014, Politico researched 33 political action committees that claimed to be affiliated with the Tea Party and courted small donors with email and direct-mail appeals and found that they “raised $43 million — 74 percent of which came from small donors. The PACs spent only $3 million on ads and contributions to boost the long-shot candidates often touted in the appeals, compared to $39.5 million on operating expenses, including $6 million to firms owned or managed by the operatives who run the PACs.”
    Back in 2015, RightWingNews reviewed the financial filings of 21 prominent conservative PACs and found the ten 10 groups at the bottom of their list spent $54.3 million only paid out $3.6 million to help get Republicans elected.
    Back in 2016, campaign finance lawyer Paul H. Jossey detailed how some of the PACs operated and lamented, “the Tea Party movement is pretty much dead now, but it didn’t die a natural death. It was murdered — and it was an inside job. In a half decade, the spontaneous uprising that shook official Washington degenerated into a form of pyramid scheme that transferred tens of millions of dollars from rural, poorer Southerners and Midwesterners to bicoastal political operatives.”
    In 2016, Roger Stone founded the Committee to Restore America’s Greatness. It raised $587,000 and spent $16,000 on independent expenditures supporting Trump.
    In 2016, Great America PAC raised $28.6 million from donors. They donated $30,125 to federal candidates. In 2018, Great America PAC raised $8.3 million from donors. They donated $31,840 to federal candidates.

    Jim Geraghty who is a conservative wrote an article which i have quoted above illustrating how statistically the right has more grifters and that small right wing donors have historically been easily mislead.


    When the first wave of tea-party scam PACs appeared, the IRS did look into them. Republicans insisted the agency was “targeting” the right for political reasons, probably at the behest of the Obama administration. Paul Ryan was heading this charge. He said they were targeting these conmen because they were supposedly right wing. Its now apparent they were just conmen.

    Roger Stone is now in prison by the way.


    Putting aside traditional conservative values. There does seem to be a lot more scams on the right. There is nothing dishonest in saying that.

    However there is a difference between traditional conservative values and the new alt right. The alt right IS a scam at its core.

    It would be wrong and remiss of me to say traditional conservative values offer nothing to the working class voter the GOP is trying to sell to. Its not true. Conservatism has a lot to offer the working class ...work ethic ...family cohesion etc.

    However this NEW brand of conservatism is not selling anything honest. Its selling the undermining of women in the home and in the workplace. That is not good for society or family cohesion. Its really going to hurt the family unit in the long term.

    This new brand of conservatism is representing oligarchs. And seeks to turn them into cultural icons. The trump movement is an example of this.

    Trying to tell people environmentalists are lying and 'dangerous chemicals' are a left wing lie etc

    All of this misleading people creates a perfect environment for grifters. Its a price the right has to pay. And they realize this and are willing to pay it.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,182 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Appeal to the worst in people and their stupidity and you end up with a different environment than had you appealed to the best in people and their intelligence.


  • Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    That's not connected to any political party. In fact more recently a lot of Yogis and karma sutra type gangs have been targeting the right. You see it on you tube. A person comes out with a new yoga ..diet ...animals rights stuff ..then a host of right wing rhetoric and 'Please donate to my patreon'. Ayn Rand is VERY popular with some 'Hippies'.

    Its been proven that the GOP for instance has way more pac scams in fundraising.

    Even on the right ...its one thing for a Christian church to tell people to send their savings to them and be endorsed by the white house.

    Its another for Fox analyst Charles Payne to be paid to push now worthless stocks.

    It's interesting because these scams are now scamming members of the gop ..some quite high up members.

    There were numerous tea party pac scams.





    Jim Geraghty who is a conservative wrote an article which i have quoted above illustrating how statistically the right has more grifters and that small right wing donors have historically been easily mislead.


    When the first wave of tea-party scam PACs appeared, the IRS did look into them. Republicans insisted the agency was “targeting” the right for political reasons, probably at the behest of the Obama administration. Paul Ryan was heading this charge. He said they were targeting these conmen because they were supposedly right wing. Its now apparent they were just conmen.

    Roger Stone is now in prison by the way.


    Putting aside traditional conservative values. There does seem to be a lot more scams on the right. There is nothing dishonest in saying that.

    However there is a difference between traditional conservative values and the new alt right. The alt right IS a scam at its core.

    It would be wrong and remiss of me to say traditional conservative values offer nothing to the working class voter the GOP is trying to sell to. Its not true. Conservatism has a lot to offer the working class ...work ethic ...family cohesion etc.

    However this NEW brand of conservatism is not selling anything honest. Its selling the undermining of women in the home and in the workplace. That is not good for society or family cohesion. Its really going to hurt the family unit in the long term.

    This new brand of conservatism is representing oligarchs. And seeks to turn them into cultural icons. The trump movement is an example of this.

    Trying to tell people environmentalists are lying and 'dangerous chemicals' are a left wing lie etc

    All of this misleading people creates a perfect environment for grifters. Its a price the right has to pay. And they realize this and are willing to pay it.

    You've got it completely backwards, the mainstream Conservative movement offer nothing to working class families, they are champions of corporatism, lowering wages, stripping rights from workers and support policies that destroy the family unit, the dissident right are by far the most critical of corporate oligarchies, capitalism and consumerism than any movement either left or right. I suspect you don't know too much about it, the 'alt right' as you call them despise Trump if you knew anything about it you would know this.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,182 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    You've got it completely backwards, the mainstream Conservative movement offer nothing to working class families, they are champions of corporatism, lowering wages, stripping rights from workers and support policies that destroy the family unit, the dissident right are by far the most critical of corporate oligarchies, capitalism and consumerism than any movement either left or right. I suspect you don't know too much about it,

    I will totally agree with you. No right wingers can offer anything to working class people mainstream or fringe.
    the 'alt right' as you call them despise Trump if you knew anything about it you would know this.
    You mean they have someone more fascist lined up?


    You mean to tell me the alt right is not full of MGTOWs?

    Traditional conservatism viewed men marrying and starting families as a very important value.

    Marriage was a sacred union and husbands should respect their wives etc etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    I will totally agree with you. No right wingers can offer anything to working class people mainstream or fringe.


    You mean they have someone more fascist lined up?

    Israel are fairly right wing in comparison to most western nations and they do very well by their own people

    Nope, there's nobody lined up.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,182 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    I know that you didn't know Sinn Fein were banned from RTE for 25 years.
    Ended in 94. Who cares now?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,182 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Israel are fairly right wing in comparison to most western nations and they do very well by their own people

    Nope, there's nobody lined up.


    Israel are very right wing?

    Erm nope.

    Israel can be extreme on the topic of Palestinians and their rights. Apart from that it would be way more liberal than the US for example.

    All universities are subsidized by the govt. Making tuition practically free. If there is still financial issues students enter into atuda but they extend their military service by 2 yrs.

    Tuition without atuda is maybe 3- 4k per year. You can get scholarships. Military service is compulsory.

    Healthcare in Israel is universal . All Israeli residents are entitled to basic health care as a fundamental right. Its an insurance based plan. You pay 50 euros roughly a month for all your Dr visits and procedures to be free.

    While people are conscripted into the military they are NOT conscripted into combat units. That is made now mostly of a smaller more professional army.

    While the conflict is spurring more spending and money into the military rather than people and i have a huge problem with that. The truth is in some ways Israel is more like a chaotic Europe than the US.

    They don't yet have gay marriage but they have same sex recognized state partnerships. And there is a huge push for gay marriage right now.

    Women and equality are protected in law. They serve in the military.


  • Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    Israel are very right wing?

    Erm nope.

    Israel can be extreme on the topic of Palestinians and their rights. Apart from that it would be way more liberal than the US for example.

    All universities are subsidized by the govt. Making tuition practically free. If there is still financial issues students enter into atuda but they extend their military service by 2 yrs.

    Tuition without atuda is maybe 3- 4k per year. You can get scholarships. Military service is compulsory.

    Healthcare in Israel is universal . All Israeli residents are entitled to basic health care as a fundamental right. Its an insurance based plan. You pay 50 euros roughly a month for all your Dr visits and procedures to be free.

    While people are conscripted into the military they are NOT conscripted into combat units. That is made now mostly of a smaller more professional army.

    While the conflict is spurring more spending and money into the military rather than people and i have a huge problem with that. The truth is in some ways Israel is more like a chaotic Europe than the US.

    They don't yet have gay marriage but they have same sex recognized state partnerships. And there is a huge push for gay marriage right now.

    Women and equality are protected in law. They serve in the military.

    You forgot to mention they're extremely strong on protecting their borders, controlling immigration and carrying out deportations. Which are the issues which get most people labelled as alt right these days.
    On every other issue you mention this is exactly what the dissident right want for their own nations inuding the immigration issue. In fact Israel would be somewhat of a model in this respect.
    Israel are strongly Nationalist, and the also have great social policies as you have mentioned. I'm not saying what you may think I am saying either. And this is what the so called alt right want also. If you think for example that the dissident right want American style private health care you couldn't be more wrong.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,182 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    You forgot to mention they're extremely strong on protecting their borders, controlling immigration and carrying out deportations. Which are the issues which get most people labelled as alt right these days.


    No they are not strict on immigration. Or on carrying out deportations.

    Actually when it comes to asylum seekers and immigration Israel would be MUCH more liberal than the west. They have to be.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/immigration-to-israel-surging-asylum-seekers-no-longer-arriving-state-report/

    On border control ...yes and no. Its not a free border.

    Leftists often claim 70% of immigrants to Israel are not jewish also .that israel just wants them there to make up the numbers..there are a lot of workers from other countries that are not jewish but i think that is just a leftist agenda claim.

    Israel has people from all over the world. Christians Muslims. Jews from Ethiopia ..from Europe from Arab countries.

    50% of Israeli citizens are Arab jews or Mizrahi.

    In terms of Arab muslims ...recently unfortunately part of Israeli society has become extreme though.

    They are not nationalist ...i think the word you might be looking for is ZIONIST ...and no NOT all Israelis are Zionist. And no not all are extreme Zionists.

    But extreme zionism where it goes beyond compassion is not ok.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,182 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Also its the extreme zionists in Israel who tend to be the grifters.

    By the way just because Ann Coulter now hates Trump doesn't mean the alt right does she likes to portray she reps the alt right she doesn't.


  • Registered Users Posts: 616 ✭✭✭Yakov P. Golyadkin




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,838 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Israel is a Social Democracy. Certainly well to the Left of most of Europe today or even 30 years ago.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,477 ✭✭✭francois




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    It is probably somewhat related to centrality of personal wealth on the right that there are more con artists on the right.

    Saying that, some of the most intellectually dishonest people you can meet are on the left. There are too many examples to name of people on the left conning people by giving a purpously deceptive opinion in order to gain woke points.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1





  • Registered Users Posts: 19,334 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It was at one time. But it certainly isn't any of that today.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Good video showing what has happened to a lot of the right wing trump grifters.




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,364 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    Rent free.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Is there are commonly agreed on definition of what alt-right is? Does it refer to Trump/Brexit supporters generally? Or is it more extreme right wing Richard Spencer types (who represent a tiny minority)?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    a right-wing ideological movement characterized by a rejection of mainstream politics and by the use of online media to disseminate provocative content, often expressing opposition to racial, religious, or gender equality.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    From that definition it sounds like a fringe group, the counterpart to full-blown communists on the other side.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Sounds like the last president of the united states and the republican party.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Or all the posters that have argued in favour of homophobic policies of the Hungarian, Polish or Russian governments. Or the posters that think storming the Capitol was harmless etc. It's basically the mainstream right in the US at this stage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Yeah people say the alt right is fringe but it is most certainly mainstream now.

    Far greater threat by way of fascism than the pretend threat from communism which is non existent in the west.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,941 ✭✭✭randd1


    I think the reason why a lot of the grifters target the right is because a lot of them seem to be a bit simple in their world view or are just plain stupid, feel week, and need to feel that a hard man is looking after them.

    No smarts, week minded and the need for a saviour. Perfect for making money off of.

    To be fair, if they're dumb enough to part with their hard earned money for the idiots they support, they deserve to lose their money.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That would seem to contradict the central part of the definition that it is "characterized by a rejection of mainstream politics".

    I think a lot of people here need to stop believing the hype from CNN. America is not at risk from fascism. The real threat to America comes from the regressive left who use racism in their drive to stamp out racism.

    America is like South Africa 10-15 years ago. You can see the cracks appearing in a once mighty structure.



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