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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Gloating as opposed to the tripe you post here all day about cattle tags and so on? No gloating here. I’m glad I’m protecting myself from serious illness and death by getting vaccinated.

    i have zero sympathy for antivaxxers. If it means that their lives are restricted so be it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,942 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Your life will continue to be restricted also.

    Your only consolation is that a tiny group of boogeymen 'anti-vaxers' will have it slightly worse. Enjoy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,366 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    I dont believe this because the amount of vaccinated people getting it here is absolutely unreal. I know of several. Go to the covid19 positive subreddit. Pretty much every case is vaccinated. What is the point of a vaccine pass when the vaccines don't stop people catching or spreading it exactly?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Not really. My life is practically normal abeit a bit of mask wearing. I can now go inside a restaurant or a pub. I can travel unhindered without paying for tests (3 trips planned in over the next couple of months). Things for me are fairly normal.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Lol you are living in Dreamworld. In late September we will only be days away from full lockdown number 4



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,942 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Your situation is no different from mine, but having to carry and produce digital trackable ID everywhere is unfreedom imo. The privileges it gives can be revoked (already happened in Hungary) and new conditions added. Not good.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Could you please elaborate on the revoked privileges in Hungary? I did not find anything via google.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,603 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Well if locals don't want the festival's, why should they have to put up with them?

    Festivals are largely self contained in that they don't have much of a wider benefit for local business, but bring costs like traffic, litter and other pollution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    It’s on my phone so it’s no big deal. They can track me all they like . Nothing to hide. I’m just getting on with it and it’s working.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Did you pull that out from your crevice or do you have a link with info something to back that hyperbole up?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,805 ✭✭✭mightyreds


    In terms of people going and not leaving the campsite they are but you forgot about jobs for people in the area, suppliers from the area supplying to the festival, transport companies from the area. I worked security at 2 of them on the supplier entrance the amount of local business used is massive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    I was talking to a lad today and he said ' It's too soon, they shouldn't be looking to hold festivals like this for another year or two'.


    That's the attitude that's out there - people have been completely brainwashed by the near constant hysteria.


    This doesn't until normal people wake the fcuk up and claim their rights and their lives back - there is s a huge cohort either too scared or too comfortable with the current situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,160 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I thought Hungary was the new Utopia since it hosted Euros?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,942 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Sorry I don't have the reference but an English-language Hungarian blogger gave an eye-witness account saying Orban was suspending green passes of people who had taken a vaccine to force them to get a second one. If I find that blog post I'll link to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    This baffles me, we hear all this sh*te day after day yet Guns’n’Roses played a sold out Fenway Park in Boston on Monday night and the Foo Fighters played to around 60k at Lollapaloza on Sat….. yet here we’re have rte preaching that stuff like concerts are bad and people swallowing it whole instead of looking at the world around them!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,942 ✭✭✭growleaves


    p I am not taken in by Orban and his pseudo-'patriotic Christian' wonderland, he is a phony imo.

    Hungarian propaganda seems especially aimed at conservative and Christian Westerners.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,603 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    In the context of the size of the festival, only a small amount goes into the local economy. Security, event infrastructure, most of the catering are provided by national companies.

    Sure there is some local employment and local spending but the vast vast majority of the money leaves Laois.

    The traffic congestion, and pollution stays though. I don't know why any community would want to host the picnic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    I think not.

    The entire Pandemic thing in Ireland has largely explained to me why the English managed to rule this island for c.800 years without too much difficulty.

    Forget the "Rebel Irish" moniker,we now know that the Irish are serial compliers,who will largely rush to embrace whatever "Authority" happens to be passing along the road,whilst denigrating those who seek to question the norm.

    We Irish will scramble wildly to queue,and pay for,the 3rd,4th or 100th "booster" as long as we get the badge to show our essential goodness and compliance.

    Worse still,as Micheal Collins referred to on several occasions,the prevalence of the "Informer" was the thing that most occupied his mind as he attempted to free the country from British rule.

    Fast forward 100 years and scan through the many Covid-19 posts across thse boards and you'll soon find plenty of adherents to the "Report them" methodology,as they scan the horizon for anybody NOT wearing the "I'm Vaccinated 😃 " badge.

    There'll be NO rebellion in Ireland,at least not amongst the native Irish,however I suspect our large Eastern European population may prove less malleable and could well throw a large spanner in NPHET's somewhat devious programme.

    This pandemic is now ALL about MONEY,with Movement Control backing it all up.

    It now appears that,for some as yet unexplained reason,Authorities Worldwide decided that allowing their mass populations free & unfettered access to travel was proving challenging,and thus decided to put in place a system by which the masses would be cowed into firstly,NOT travelling at all,or doing so under significant (and costly) special conditions.

    Forget yer Masks & Vaccinations,and instead FOLLOW THE MONEY 😉 !


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,786 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Now that is a very good example of where the phrase " from one extreme to another " comes from.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,366 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I don’t understand how they can cancel electric picnic seeing as how it’s outside which we’ve been told constantly is better and keep indoor places open. I know the numbers in pubs and restaurants is way lower than a festival but going by all the young people who are getting vaccinated It doesn’t make sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,942 ✭✭✭growleaves


    You can get into Lollapalooza with an antigen test, don't even need to be vacks'd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,592 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    A substantial amount isn't outside - its in tents; there's also often quite a bit of, erm, "mixing" inside peoples tents in the campsites.

    Not using this as a justification for cancelling it, just saying its not like an entirely outdoor event!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭stargazer 68


    But none of it makes sense! I can go anywhere in the country and stay in a hotel, eat and drink in the hotel with people from all over the country with no problem. However I can't go into my local pub or restaurant without a cert!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,647 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Its about time the youth took part in mass disobedience, whether that be via large scale flash mob style parties or big outdoor drinking sessions. Every outlet they were accustomed to is being controlled, restricted or worse cancelled.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,366 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Okay but it’s not fully indoors. And it’s not just the drinks that are being mixed either. It’s the little to no logic that seems to be applied that is starting to wear thin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Maybe another 60k people have woken up in this country today

    hopefully



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,495 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    They wouldn't even allow a marathon here, never mind a music festival. Healthy people running outside, Tony couldn't be having with that now, could he.

    Yet when we predicted this we got scoffed at. How many times and how many predictions is that now?

    The coward Irish strike again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,160 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Orban was seen as a hero here during the Euro's for the total freedom he gave his fellow Hungarians.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,522 ✭✭✭tigger123


    I've been to quite a number of Electric Picnics and it would undoubtedly be a massive, filthy, super duper spreader event.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,942 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Pity we don't have some kind of drug or potion that would lessen the effects of covid, which are already small among the age group that goes to EP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,786 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Even the horses at Galway last week had masks on.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    They were not going to allow anyone who was not double vaccinated into the festival

    so how would that happen?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,366 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    so what we just do nothing fun then for the immediate future ? We are meant to be living with COVID aren’t we ? And it’s just shy of two months away so do Laois CC know something the rest of us don’t. I mean I’ve tickets for GNR next June, should I be worried about them ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    You will see guns n roses in June

    but you will view the stage from a pod of 4

    clapping will be permitted when each song has ended

    mingling with other concert attendees will be strictly forbidden



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,366 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I know that’s meant as a joke but there’s a slim possibility that that may be the way it is going on how they’re going about things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,786 ✭✭✭brickster69


    No he was serious, but the worst thing is he was talking about June 2023

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That's the problem, though, my friend. People want to "get on with life" so they'll just keep jumping through any hoops put in front of them.

    It's just "two weeks to flatten the curve". It's just a mask. It's just social distancing. It's just a travel restriction. It's just non-essential businesses. It's just sports events. It's just concerts. It's just a test. It's just track&trace. It's just an app. It's just a vaccine. It's just a vaccine passport. It's just a booster for the new variant. It (will be) just a digital/biometric ID..

    At what point do you stop and say "no"?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You seem to have a vendetta/preoccupation with "antivaxxers" more than anything else.

    "The vaccinated will be able to do things that the antivaxxers can only dream about"... Like what? Have a pint indoors? You'd want to raise your bar for "dreams", mate 🤣 Newsflash: you were already entitled to do that. The government just took it away from you, then played you with the 'carrot&stick' routine to return it. Don't be so gullible.

    Good to see you reduce part of your life and freedom to a QR code, anyway. When they come along with the digital ID, you'll probably say "shure, you'll only have a problem with that if you have something to hide" 🤣

    Don't take this message personally; I'm simply trying to make you aware of the bigger picture. It's not just about vaccinations. It's about the new systems being brought in simultaneously.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Just a reminder that the average age of death from Covid is 81-82. They were all vaccinated 7-8 months ago.

    They stopped releasing death statistics 3 months ago, the HSE hack apparently. Which is still going on apparently.

    People have been Gaslit into thinking people under 40 are in serious peril from Covid.

    All restrictions should have been ended in February-March. Everything. And now we're not even hopeful for next February-March.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    I’m quite aware of the bigger picture. I think the anti vaxxers don’t. In the future i will bet restrictions will increase for the antivaxxers. The screws will be tightened as society will deem them unacceptable especially if this virus doesn’t burn out.

    Being vaccinated is making a huge difference to people. People can go inside to eat or drink, best of luck to people sitting outside come the winter. I’ll bet you’ll have to be vaccinated for future concerts too.

    You also don’t have to pay for tests ( or the hassle of them) when you travel etc. Other countries are begining to adopt the vaccine pass for indoor activities. New York are proposing it. Boris has also proposed vaccine passports for nightclubs etc. It’s coming so my advice is to prepare for it.

    i have no vendettas towards the antivaxxers. But they are becoming irritating listening to the same bullshyte spewing from their mouths making them look like they have an IQ of 2. Laughable really lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    If the organizers of Electric Picnic had any sense they would tell Laois CoCo they won’t be dealing with them again and move the whole thing somewhere else in future. Typical fcuking small minded local yocal bullshit. The amount of money that festival makes for the area is huge, if they don’t want it give it to someone who does. Embarrassing bunch of idiots.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,468 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    You can say what you want about Americans but they value their freedom and liberty. Nobody is going to push vaccine passports on the entire population. They don't take kindly to big government.

    There is a reason why they were never able to implement a tyrannical regime on the people like the other powerful nations. It's because the people have the guns. And each Senator and Congressman knows that it just takes one guy.

    The politicians in Eastern Europe know this too. Don't test the people or they'll be dragging you from your home. The people value their freedom because they remember.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    “”Good to see you reduce part of your life and freedom to a QR code, anyway. When they come along with the digital ID, you'll probably say "shure, you'll only have a problem with that if you have something to hide"”


    That got me thinking. You already have a unique registration plate bolted onto ones arse. It’s your ppsn number. I’m quite sure you can be tracked by that.


    you need it for loads of things now. You even have to prove it to get your drivers licence, even bank loans now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    What's the logic behind Electric Picnic at the end of September and the Dublin marathon in October not going ahead? At that stage well over 90% of adults will be vaccinated with a fair few 12-15 year old cohort too. Worrying that we can't get back to these events even with huge levels of vaccinations completed. Doesn't bode well for the relaxation of restrictions over winter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,366 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    I've tickets for GNR in a few weeks lol. Still might cancelled the way things are going here though


    You'll notice a lot of the objections to shows and festivals etc is about the amount of "mixing" (aka shagging) and drinking/drugs that will go on. It's the new version of puritanism.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,302 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Marathon - They wanted clarity on what the situation would be in October, they couldn't get it so the organisers cancelled. Too much to plan etc. Can't see why it couldn't have gone ahead myself but I'm sure the organisers had other considerations.

    EP - Crap that it's off but feel for the council as well, they're hands are pretty tied given they have to judge an application on the current guidelines, EP should have known that as well really.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    “”You can say what you want about Americans but they value their freedom and liberty.””


    One of the reasons i’m the process of purchasing a property in the US



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