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Summer Transfer Superthread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,028 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    I really can't see Messi leaving Barca. la liga would hardly want the most famous player to be playing in another league



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    yeah he could end up in the City dressing room polishing Messis boots



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭GoldFour4


    Its hard to know how La Liga will play this.

    Barca are in terrible financial condition and the way themselves and Real Madrid have fun the clubs financially over the last while has been football manager type stuff in terms of some of the contracts handed out. They don’t have the money PSG and City have to keep giving out those salaries and transfer fees and there’s a real chance one of them goes completely bankrupt if the spending isn’t reigned in.

    On the other hand the league probably can’t afford to lose one of the greatest players of all time and the biggest attraction when it comes to their TV rights etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,068 ✭✭✭DenMan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,912 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Messi had now loyalty to Barca or his team mates it was all about the money, He was happy to see Barca in debt to over a billion and his teammates sold or take huge pay cuts as long as he was paid his million a week.

    Even agreeing a two playing deal at half his wages but the other half of his wages would have to be paid for over the following three years when he stopped playing.


    Yes Barca made hundreds of million from Messi being there it was Messi's demands on who they sign on who the managers should be etc that helped put them in the position they are in now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,111 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    It wasn't though it was because of how the club's run. Let's be clear



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,912 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    And the club was run to make and keep Messi happy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    I think Messi's main gripe last summer was over how the club was run. I'm not sure his wages are the issue here. He was responsible for a huge amount of their commercial income and his wages probably reflected same.

    He has been by all accounts dismayed by the signings the club have made in last number of years and the direction they were going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,156 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    If he wasnt guzzling up the vast majority of the wage bill he wouldn't have found himself looking at Trincao/Martin Braithwaite/Sergino Dest et al. where there was once Neymar/Eto'o/Alves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,295 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    The timing of the announcement is interesting.

    It was announced yesterday that a new company is to be formed controlling all of La Liga’s business activities. CVC Partners , a private equity firm, have bought a 10% stake in the joint-venture for 2.7bn euro.

    The €2.7 billion will be shared across the Spanish footballing pyramid and will allow clubs (most notably Barcelona) a much-needed influx of capital to register new signings and sort out financial issues.

    However Barcelona are considering rejecting La Liga's new TV contract amid concerns over the length of the deal in question, 40 years.

    Shortly after the Messi leaving announcement , Real Madrid announced that they had rejected a deal that would see CVC Capital Partners purchase a 10 per cent stake in La Liga for €2.7billion. 

    In a statement, Real claim that the "agreement was reached without the involvement or knowledge of Real Madrid".

    This will rumble on for a while yet.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    Again, I don't think his wages were the issue. They were spending 100m + on players like Dembele, Griezman etc. Whilst his wages were astronomical, he is also a complete commercial anomaly in his own right. He brought in huge amounts of money to Barca. Whilst I agree he was overpaid, I'm just not sure it's the salient point.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭retalivity




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,358 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    Is it not becoming obvious yet that there are really just two clubs playing a different game to everyone else in Europe?

    Are we just accepting that this is the case?

    The amount of times we talk about transfers and we say 'only City and PSG can afford them'.

    It's mental.

    Football obviously isn't perfect. Just look at the Super League stuff, obviously. But it's actively really broken when this is how we so often talk about transfers.

    It's all becoming a bit pointless. Eventually everyone else will just live off the scraps that the Saudis and Qataris leave them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,630 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    The game is definitely broken. It's sad to see the likes of Juve struggling to get funds together to buy Locatelli, Inter probably having to sell Lukaku, Milan getting Giroud on almost a free, the Spanish clubs counting every cent, and then you have the Premier League clubs throwing around silly money. PSG as well.

    Unless you're funded by oligarchs or an entire country, you can't compete these days. It does show up the likes of Neville and Carragher bemoaning the Super League idea a few months ago when the reality is there is already one under our noses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,205 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7



    Real were the only club who could buy Kaka, Ronaldo, Xabi Alonso and Benzema in one summer - breaking the transfer record they set signing Zidane twice in one window - they broke it again for Bale a few years later.

    Inter Milan were able to set transfer records to sign Ronaldo and Vieri then when they had a Billonaire owner in late 90s early 00s.

    Back when Man United bought Rio Ferdinand, Wayne Rooney or even Michael Carrick they were the only side in England with the financial ability to force those clubs to sell their players.

    Clubs like City have spent to try and catch up with the major clubs who have had financial advantages through fan bases, infrastructure and ability to raise Revenue year on year.

    City are spending vast sums, as mentioned on this thread with examples, big fees do not deliver successful aquisitions. They also receive big money for players like Sane and get 8 figure sums for players most have never heard of never mind seen play. Fair play to City if they spend their money well.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,108 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,295 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭POKERKING


    Why are chelsea left out of your claims constantly?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,079 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Grealish to earn £370k a week per this.


    As if spending £100m on players that the club doesn't even need, now this aswell. Financial doping and it's going to have a domino affect with forcing other clubs to have to spend similar sums on their own players which will put massive strain on their own finances, or else lose the player.


    Salah earns 200k a week and wants a new contact at Liverpool and sees Grealish get double his money? Why would he now accept the paltry sum of £250k a week now? Even though it's an increase of over £2.5m per year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,378 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    City are only paying £75k per week.

    Eithad and Emirates then have offered a very lucrative sponsorship deal to cover the rest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,108 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    So Fergie didn't break Transfer records signing players in the 90s?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    Still less than what United paid Sanchez 😟

    A sound basis for a wage demand is a mixture of the players value to the club and the clubs ability to pay it.

    Paying Grealish such (reported) money has an impact on what players can ask of City. United saw that with De Gea (If they bow down to Pogba it will kill the efforts to reallign).

    City can still only have 25 players.

    Other clubs who are well ran like Liverpool would, imo, not entertain paying that kind of money to players unless they had the ability to do so, felt the player was worth it and not without considering the impact of other players expectations of Liverpool.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,378 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Fergie didn't have two top class players in every position and promoted a load of youth players.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭Brendan Flowers


    Yes, whenever an elite player becomes the speculation of a transfer, people tend to claim City and PSG are the only clubs that can afford them. The reality though is very different. Just looking at the list of most expensive transfers on Wikipedia, only 3 of the 25 most expensive signings have been made by either PSG or Man City. And before Jack Grealish, City didn't have a single signing in that top 25 list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,358 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    I've forgotten to include them this week, because until Lukaku is done, they'll have done nothing much this particular window.

    But I should've included them in my ramblings. I usually do. I've just forgotten about them this summer so far. My mistake this time.

    So it's 3 clubs.

    Grand so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,378 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    I bet City have more 40-60m signings than most other teams though.

    It'd be interesting to see the overall cost of the squads when they are named for the start of the season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,079 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Romano is reporting that Lukaku's wages will be €12m net per season. Which works out as £196k a week, after tax. So at roughly 50% tax and then the wages are very close to the £370k Grealish is getting.


    We know that the Grealish transfer was all agreed from before the Euros, maybe the contract was too and agents have got word around to their clients that this is the new going rate that the oil clubs are willing to pay.


    What wages are Donnaruma, Wijnaldum & Ramos all earning at PSG? I bet it's similar or higher.


    You're right in saying that the players at City can all now demand higher wages because of this, and they'll probably get it. Whether they are covered through official sponsorship deals or not, they'll get it. But it Man City want to buy a player from the PL and so do an Arsenal, Liverpool, Leicester etc and City are offering wages that are 3 or 4 times higher than other clubs as that's all they can afford, well then there's only one winner. City get a player to warm their bench, and more importantly stop their rivals strengthening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,028 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    Apparently PSG are already in talks with Messi. Thoughts of having Messi, Neymar and Mbappe on same team is fairly impressive



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,630 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    Sad to see Matheus Pereira heading to Saudi Arabia at 25. Seems like such a waste of talent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,948 ✭✭✭✭Mars Bar


    Where did ya read about Emirates? Considering etihad and Emirates are competitors and Emirates is dubai and etihad is Abu Dhabi then I'll be surprised if they have anything to do with it.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    City can still only have 25 players, they are paying big wages as an incentive, the same way other clubs have used their financial might and on pitch success to get players from within the league.

    The lads at PSG were all free transfers so the financial package available to the players will have been increased by the lack of transfer fee. Man Utd lost Herrera to PSG, had the capability to match PSG and chose not to do so as to United he was not worth it.

    Liverpool will do the same (and probably did with Wijnaldum) with players but could still get Thiago to leave Bayern last year. To get Thiago they did not have to pay Sanchez, Bale, Griezmann, De Gea, Hazard or now repoerted Grealish wages money - they had to pay in line with Salah wages.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,054 ✭✭✭wanderer100


    Scenes when Poch fails to win the league with that front 3 😅

    Don't forget they've already signed Sergio Ramos, Wijnaldum & Donnarumma.

    Some transfer window that if they wrap it up with Messi



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,358 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    And if it wasn't already, FFP will be dead, and these mega-rich clubs know there is not a thing UEFA will do.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    Uefa don't give a **** once they get their cut. FPP as it was implemented was always a load of bollox.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,791 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    I think it's someone trying to be funny and failing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,969 ✭✭✭billyhead


    They want to win the CL badly. Between them and City.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,912 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    If Grealish is getting that kind of money Harry Kane will want £450k a week for scoring the goals that win games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,976 ✭✭✭doc_17


    I thought Spurs would have went for Ings regardless of whether Kane left or not.

    I think it’ll be interesting to see Ramos and Messi play together, should Messi go there! Two captains of the biggest clubs in the world now on the one team.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,821 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    It'll hurt Barcelona fans but they will be better off without Messi ,

    Its time as a club they got shot of the likes Greizmannn , Couthino , Demeble ,

    Last few years they have gone down the Madrid road of spending outrageous money on "STARS " and its failed,

    Time to get a long term plan / project in place & rebuild ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,115 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    interesting to hear Grealish had a release clause in his most recent Villa contract and that City triggered this clause.

    Kane presumably could have negotiated something similar, but doesn't appear to have done so.


    (as a United fan, I'd be happy to see City divert their interest from Kane to Messi; I think the latter has much higher potential to be a failure and disrupt the City squad).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,288 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    I ain't believing this Messi leaving stuff until he comes out with a statement that he's gone. That Barca statement is worded to put all the blame on La Liga and pressure them to ease up on the financial rules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,156 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    In transfer news Juraj Kucka has joined Watford. Didnt think he was 35.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,079 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    I'm not believing it until I see him in another kit!

    Think Barca are trying to play La Liga and force them into bending the rules to suit Barca.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,258 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    pep is so full of ****! the only reason they could afford grealish was that they brought in 60 millions pounds last summer from sales.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,295 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    £370k a week is ludicrous.

    Grealish was dying to join a bigger club, why do City feel the need to pay him so much.

    No other club was really interested in him, and no other club would pay anywhere near that salary.

    200-250k would be more that enough to encourage him to join.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,054 ✭✭✭wanderer100


    City players want out unsurprisingly after Grealish signing. Wonder who the other players could be

    City not going after Messi confirmed




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,912 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,079 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    It's probably to eliminate competition, IMO.


    Man City, PSG and Chelsea can afford those wages, but others can't. Maybe Man Utd as they have already shown a commitment to giving players undeserving very large (150k - 250k a week) contracts before achieving anything of note but in fairness do tend to save the extremely high wages (250k a week +) to players who do deserve those lucrative deals.

    Man City are pricing others out of the game. Could other teams afford to pay £60m for Grealish? Yes, and there's about 6 or 7 clubs in the PL alone that could do that this summer if needed. How many can afford to pay him £370k a week on top of that? None. The competition is reduced straightaway. Don't think that Grealish is not telling his friends Madisson, Chilwell, Barkley, Alli etc in the whatsapp group what sort of wage he is on. He's not exactly the brightest person as it is, going by his previous exploits. The transfer is the main talking point in the league right now, and the money has everyone interested. A new bar is going to be set with wages for players who are not even the top players at their clubs.

    Grealish being £100m is one thing, but it has now increased the price for other English players, especially in a league where HG players are needed. Leicester might have sold Maddison for £50m this summer. After this transfer, it could be closer to £70m as this is now the going rate for an attacking English midfielder. How much will West Ham ask for Declan Rice now, etc etc.

    The default price in players is just going to increase again, and it further reduces the number of clubs that can and will be able to afford these transfer fees.



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