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The AH Tokyo 2020 Olympics/Paralympics Thread in 2021

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,603 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Its stupid and ridiculous but you cannot say that these people aren't world class athletes

    The 50 k walk looks way harder than a marathon because its such an unnatural movement



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Not half as ridiculous as whatever that was earlier, where some chick in karate pyjamas squared up to nobody and basically won a medal for the impression you would do of Bruce Lee if you were 12 and hanging out with your mates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Well, in the last hour she has cut a swathe, - 3 for the day (joint best) and 2 shots off the Medals with 11 left to play.

    And the bloody World Feed coverage doesn't seem one bit interested!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,194 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas



    Currently top 5 (though the positions keep changing). She's definitely going well.....hopefully she can nab a few more birdies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,603 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Leona is in trouble here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,603 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Unfortunate double bogey

    the comeback starts now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,978 ✭✭✭Citizenpain




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Yeah it was a triple, 7 on a 4, what a damn shame after the best first 8 of the week.

    Time to go again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Seems strange there is no Cut. The likes of Mel Reid having a nightmare week having to trudge out again in that heat in 59th place at +10. That's of no value to anyone.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,194 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Bad luck, hitting the branch of a tree....if it misses that, she probably would have held par.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,506 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    All this talk of how we fare relative to other countries compared to population per capita or country size fails to take into account one key metric, which applies to athletics in particular. Genetics.

    There is no way I can be convinced that an Irish person would ever (cleanly) outsprint, outlast or outjump a black athlete in an elite event. Liberia had it's first ever qualifier for the men's 200m final the other day- similar population to ourselves but they couldn't have better facilities or funding.

    We will always be competitive in boxing and equestrian, and are a rising force in rowing it seems, but expecting to contend for medals in the athletics is a pipe-dream.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,176 ✭✭✭✭josip


    How defuq do you delete a post?



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    You can’t. Best you can do is edit it and put something like n/a in its place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    GB have two jumpers that are Olympic champions who are white.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    I've seen some bad arguments over the years on boards, but linking Olympic success to geographical landmass is down there with the worst of them!


    Shocking performance from the Aussies in that case, sure their country is massive...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,191 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Fahnbulleh was born in the States, went through the highly developed and competitive HS and College system, so he's a product of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    Natalya Coyle in 4th with 2 events left in the modern pentathlon. Go Natalya!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    most of the nations above them have tiny populations and 1 or 2 medals. for some countries they are the only medals they have ever won. If you restrict it to major nations the british punch above their weight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    they are comparing success on a per capita basis which seems reasonable to me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    That's not actually true, if you take out the microstates and countries with 1 or 2 medals they're still a good bit down, outside the Top 15. Plenty of well populated countries doing much better than them. In fact their ranking is very similar to our own, except their spend per competitor massively exceeds ours.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,588 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,516 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Per Capita isn't a great indicator either as the larger countries are denied representation that would be in line with their population.

    So many of the sports have max quotas, as little as one per country in the case of boxing.

    I understand why the IOC does it this way (no-one wants 10 Jamaicans lining up in the semi's of the Women's 100M or 5 Cuban Welterweights in the quarter-finals) but it does mean that bigger countries have to leave genuine medal prospects at home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    I have them at about 12th or 13th depending on how you describe minor nations




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭gigantic09


    Looks like she's drawn a shite horse for the jumping event. It picked up 54 faults for another competitor (that sounds pretty bad)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    ^^^^^^^^^

    what are you on about team GB have nearly twice as many medals as countries of similar populations & wealth - France, Italy, Germany, Spain

    the only countries above them in the medal table (at this moment) are the powerhouses of USA, Russia, China, Japan

    no matter what way you look at it they're doing brilliantly, but of course some irish are still too bitter to say 'well done'

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  • Registered Users Posts: 673 ✭✭✭Morris Garren


    The RTE commentators- the 'assistant' to the lead- in most cases have been brilliant. PJ Nolan in the velodrome is a gas man, while Tom Freyne here at the Pentathlon is making it very enjoyable. He has a good eye for the personality of each horse--- 'this lad just wants to go back to the stable and eat some hay!' - 'this lad shakes his head a bit' - 'this horse just won't do what he's told..' she needs to give him a bit of a kick in the belly! Hope Natalya's nag is the more cooperative type



  • Registered Users Posts: 673 ✭✭✭Morris Garren


    And now, the latest horse just booted one of the obstacles out of the way. Italian lady exits stage left. Serious luck the draw here, like equine speed dating



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Well off the highs of London and Rio so far for Team GB but still some events to go before the final tally. In fairness they are doing well and when you remember that GB were total also rans for most of the history of the Olympics - they won a grand total of 1 gold medal in Atlanta in 1996 - they are doing really really well in the last 3 or 4 Olympics! In fairness they ploughed a lot of money into it in the last 20 years especially now reaping the rewards in swimming and cycling.

    I think GB will be disappointed with their Athletics performance - just a single bronze and a single silver so far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,516 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    France , Italy, Germany.

    As has been said a few times, you can't really exclude the Winter Olympics from their total - it's better to combine it into a total over a cycle of one summer and one winter. Because these countries put a big percentage of their, to use your phrase "population and wealth", into winter sports. I'd expect they'd be pretty much bang level with UK on this table.


    Spain, meh, I'll give you that. Not sure they have any real societal interest in winning at what they consider obscure sports.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    They'll be even more disappointed in the rowing. I can see funding for that being cut.



  • Registered Users Posts: 831 ✭✭✭hahashake


    Getting into a whole other argument but there is no way the Winter Olympics should be considered equivalent when most countries will never get proper snow/ice etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Depends on how you want to measure it. They are doing brilliantly compared to most Olympics in my lifetime but poorly compared to recent highs.

    I don't think they should be too disappointed as there was always going to be a peak at 2012 followed by a slow decline to a more reasonable level



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    This modern pentathlon is the most pointless, ridiculous competition I have ever seen, them horses don’t want to run or jump, what are they at? It used to be popular years ago, so was slavery, why isn’t that in it. The rte commentator is useless, he’s saying it’s unusual that a horse refuses, but about 25 or 30 of them refused



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    If you include the winter Olympics in the equation then you have to include all sports which in fairness you should. Some people shot it down here but it is true that if football and hurling didn't exist and the players, energy and resources of the GAA were put into something else we could be up there with NZ in rugby or getting more regular dream runs in soccer like Denmark or Croatia.

    France is a very interesting one at the Olympics as there doesn't seem to be the public will to pump billions in to sports and it will be interesting to see how they react to being hosts in 2024. Will they be willing to do what it takes to transform the team like GB did or be a more thrifty host like Brazil



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,516 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Yes but if Italy, Germany, France consider them equal then that's all the matters for a comparison. Like the poster fryup said that despite those countries equivalent wealth they are behind UK. But if a runner or swimmer in those countries has to compete for funding with downhill skiers or speed skaters, and a rowing club has to pitch against a bobsleigh club, then clearly the 'wealth' going to Summer Olympic sports is reduced. Seems just a 'bleedingly obvious' thing, no?

    Also the idea that winter Olympic medals are cheapened because not every country has snow/ice doesn't really work for me. It's not as if there is amazing worldwide strength in depth in all the summer events either. The UK specifically and openly used this lack of strength in depth to target 'soft' medals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    Actually that is more than balanced out though by their increased chances in numerous team events - everything from 8 man rowing to swimming relays to team cycling is massively biased in favour of the larger countries - these are events where it is all but impossible for smaller nations to put out competitive teams l. In these cases the larger countries are quick to take advantage but slow to acknowledge the unfair advantage they have.

    That more than compensates for the very rare occasions when big countries would have to leave medal winners at home. I don't think there have been many or maybe any 1-2-3s from the same countries so far in athletics for instance, which suggests no medal winners have been left behind in that sport.

    By and large the competitors who don't get to travel because they're from large countries are not medal contenders anyway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 831 ✭✭✭hahashake


    Don't know why you are obsessed with the UK, I'm talking about countries closer to the equator.



  • Registered Users Posts: 673 ✭✭✭Morris Garren


    How many horses usually refuse a jump? Any stats? In fairness the studio analysts mentioned that the standard of horse seemed below expectations. But Freyne's analysis and commentary was excellent -- he worked well with Hugh Cahill whose knowledge of horse sport is probably limited

    German lady was utterly distraught there with dropping from almost certain gold to outside top 30. It's a cruel sport-- but nothing whatsoever to do with slavery



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    Medals per capita - Britain 24th, you could maybe justify removing a. Few microstates that are above them, but still not great considering how much they invest. Ireland just below but Harrington's medal hasn't been factored in yet.



    Medals relative to pre games expectations - Britain way down in mid table on this measure. Ireland doing reasonably well here and, again, Harrington's medal not yet factored in.

    https://ig.ft.com/tokyo-olympics-alternative-medal-table/



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,067 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    In 1956 held in Melbourne were on in Nov/Dec but the equestrian part took place in Stockholm in June



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,710 ✭✭✭Speak Now


    Team Showjumping for Ireland over already, first horse eliminated (Sweetman)



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,067 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    very technical apparently especially having two foot always on the ground. The difference between running and walking



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,516 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Re your second paragraph (so terrible that we can't edit the post we are replying to?)

    I think your idea that only a 1-2-3 would imply that there are more medal winners left behind is fundamentally flawed. Weight of numbers has to be a factor in these things. Equivalent would in football say, Liverpool won the league and got dumped in the last 8 of the Champions League. Does this imply no other English team could have done better? Well as we know Chelsea and Man City, behind Liverpool in 'national qualifying', both got to the final.

    So if a country is limited to 2 contestants and they finish 2nd and 5th, there's still a case that if they'd be able to send all their athletes who met the qualifying standard and were ranked Top 10 in their sport that they could have got more medals.

    Imo, as long as countries are prevented sending a 'per capita' amount of athletes, then per capita comparisons are flawed. But I completely understand and accept the IOC rules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    race walking is incredibly difficult. tried it once in my youth when I did some running and it was excruciatingly painful, especially on the hips.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    Don't give that 'per head captia' bolloxollogy - do you think your average Joe factors that in when he/she looks at the medals table

    sure if you were take the 'per head of pop' slant then you'd have to say that China with a pop of 1billion are doing crap cause they only have 75 medals

    but at the end of the day they're at the top of the table, and that all that matters to your average Chinese Joe



  • Registered Users Posts: 831 ✭✭✭hahashake


    The best metric for a country internally is progression or regression from games to games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    enough arguing about who is doing the best, the womens beach volleyball is on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    any sexy women?😋



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




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