Micheal Martin- we saved 2245 lives, apparently

Says the OP who mentioned her in his OP.

Most of your rubbish has been soundly answered over the last 12 months.

Boards.ie has no shortage of people who hate the government and are incredibly anti lockdown, anti masks or anti vaxx.

Yet no one has agreed with the OP. No one has even done the "Well, I don't agree with everything he says but..." routine.

OP, does that not tell you something? This is genuinely off the wall mental stuff and the absence of the cavalry coming over the hill should be a red flag, even for you.

Edit : wait, this is the guy who can't count to three? Aaaah. Now I see.

Yep. He cant count to three and is banging on about "simple maths"

What's this about counting to three?

The op can't.

Ah, that guy. I went into that thread expecting it to be giving out about the Pfizer booster, and was a little surprised....

OP, your understanding of the situation is not particularly strong.

It is not the case that if there were no restrictions that the only impact that there would have been was the 2700 people who would have died. The "17 million cost per person" calculation makes no sense.

There simple fact is that there would have been chaos in the health service, likely ending up costing multiples of any amount spent over the past 18 month on prevention.

You don't provide statistics though. You're adding in "I think", "assume" and doing questionable sums on the numbers.

Underlying conditions may only reveal themselves when the body is placed under stress. You may find that you have a long-standing underlying condition that complicates treatment after being hit by a car. Or it can be stress on your system from being overweight, lung issues from your work environment.

An athletic & fit colleague of mine passed away this year; yes I'm confident as I can be that she would had decades of life had it not been for covid.

Your comment about deaths for untreated cancers; what makes you believe that the hospitals would have been in a better place to treat them with an greater level of covid patient demands for quarantined beds, medications, doctors and nurses?

The 40 billion cost. Broken down as business supports, wage subsidies, health increased expenditure. Had Ireland's government taken the Sweden-alike path, there still would have been a necessity for a lot of this, as internal and external trading and tourism decreased.

"I have met absolutely zero, not one, single member of the public who thinks like you people do, at least none who are under a certain age". You're contradicting yourself in one sentence. As we age we get to know a more varied group of people, and many are lovely people, being considerate about their vulnerability to infection is not a hardship.

As for loyalty to government?

They failed to get protective measures for care homes. They failed with getting people to wear masks earlier. They pretty much immediately gave up regarding testing and tracing. Did/do you see anyone checking people for having a fever / cough before travelling?

What covid results do you think you'd get if you checked the commuters on a Friday evening train? I'd guess more infections than the Healy-Rae pub.

A lot of the government measures and spending are politically driven. Business supports and wage subsidies. What Irish election party would not have done those?

Mostly water under the bridge at this point, but have we learned anything to apply / avoid in case of a Covid / SARS 2029?

Repeat closing the schools and churches? Close the airports / quarantine air passengers earlier and not whinge about "EU treaties don't allow us?".

It's up to yourself as to what to believe. You are free to believe that the lockdowns caused the deaths and if there was no lockdowns then they would not have happened. There is no point in anyone else trying to change your opinion at this stage. It's 18 months into it.

Likewise, if there was a terrible car crash and firemen arrive promptly and cut the passengers from the wreckage, managing to get them to medical help quickly enough to save 3 out of the 4 of them, you can also believe that if they had never arrived on the scene, that all four would have survived.