Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

The AZ vaccine developed by international scientists working in a lab which was primarily funded by the European commission. The lab happened to be in Oxford.

And the salient point was ignored: the UK has lost tens of thousands of lives that it didn't need to because it elected a government that is completely useless at governing or basically doing anything.

I have to question the mental faculties of the average Brit when I see the kind of people they have put in charge.

I haven't seen figures for total doses administered, but Pfizer BioNTech is used in more countries (61) than AstraZenica (41). And given that one of the countries that uses Pfizer but not AZ is the very populous US, which has a very high vaccination rate, while neither of these two is used very much in China, my guess would be that total Pfizer doses administered comfortably exceed total AZ doses administered. And of course it could be, if we knew the figuers, that Sinopharm or Sinovac has been put into more arms, simply because China is so populous.

If you want to travel, though, AZ is the one to go for. Of the countries which will open their arrival gates to you on evidence of vaccination, 119 will accept vaccination with AZ but only 90 will accept vaccination with Pfizer. I have no idea why AZ, although used in fewer countries, is accepted in more.

No you're right to point out the error. It's mostly the English that put Johnson in power to make a complete balls of things.

Any chance of Brexit being a 'success' went out the window with the election of Johnson and his government. It would have needed a top class PM and cabinet, with clear ideas and a vision for where they wanted Britain to go. Instead they got a bunch of liars, charlatans and spoofers, mostly unintelligent and incompetent (Johnson being the worst) and with a total oddball in Dominic Cummings to boot.

I've heard it said that May later realised she had totally overreached in her Lancaster House speech (having been listening to that Brexiteer fanatic Nick Timothy), but the damage was done and the ERG crowd were now demanding the hardest of hard Brexits, so she couldn't reverse it.

And UK is way, way behind in vaccinating young people because they failed to order mRNA vaccines and because even they admit (in action if not in deed) that AZ is too risky at that age. Rather quiet about that now - I assume they'll go back to the arguments they were using at the start of covid when they had the highest deaths in the world by talking about it "a marathon not a sprint" and that "international comparisons aren't appropriate".

Yes unless we are being affected with strains coming from the vast emptiness of the Atlantic Ocean to our west.

those waiting for a UK acceptance they made a terrible mistake with Brexit will have a long wait,the right wing press will dress the mess up as an EU campaign of punishment and not a consequence of their ridiculous brexit policy and this will compound the anti EU feeling in the general public in the UK.Poor ould Labour would probably love to have a go at the debacle that is Brexit but would be too easily be protrayed as being pro EU and by extension ,anti British,

Correct, but I suspect that there is so much bad stuff coming down the tracks in the next five years, that it will be virtually impossible for the liars of the right wing press to cover up just how bad things are becoming. It's the perfect storm - a terrible, incompetent, corrupt government, UK now outside the Single Market and trying to recover from the pandemic. Saying 'Don't worry folks, this has all been caused by the EU' is just not going to wash any longer.