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And I think your begrudging analysis is pretty ludicrous.

The Journal does not push an agenda; it presents the facts, the research results from home and abroad, and it's up to the reader to take from it and act on the information presented as he/she wishes. Only the weak minded could regard that as pushing an agenda. For quite a while now there has been a two page spread each week on farm buildings from all around the country; these articles have been thorough and well researched and, I would have thought, been an excellent guide to anyone interested in that line.

The editorials in the last year have been uniformly informative and on the money; only the Journal, it seems to me, has highlighted the fact that €330 million has been siphoned away from the CAP annual budget for nebulous greening measures.

Phelim O Neill is an outstanding journalist on the topic of beef, on top of all the details/nuances at play in the sector.

Matt Dempsey's articles are intelligent, wide ranging and uniformly interesting.

While your contributions on the coalface of the beef trade are 'on the money' I see the other stuff through the prism of your beliefs in the conspiracy theories re the meat factories cartel. Weak minded and very, very wrong.

Not all land is heavy midland type. The rain over the last week has driven grass on dry farms( gone from famine to feast again this year) cattle are thriving again. Ya it could go pear shaped in 2-3 weeks but we are not there yet.

You are acting like a lad that needs stores and the price is too high.

Not only that they are on fire. Lads are paying for them as if they are going to AA/ HE bonuses for over 40 month cattle as well as getting normal QA on them. A combination of events not a great summer for thrive on dryer land. Ration is gone very expensive and quality is poor if buying on price. Beef nuts are 8+/ bag. Barley normally helps fill the gap but it's expensive this year. Lads that changed from suckler's may not be up to speed yet on managing them. Only way you will get weight on bullocks is paddocks or low stocking rate if set stocked. Looking at a lads cattle last week's that are set stocked on a large are. This time last year they were flying this year they seem back a good bit

As an aside we are only 6 weeks from the 20th of September by that stage any glut of U30 month cattle will be gone. TBH the next 2-3 weeks could be tricky but numbers will dwingle fast after that

The Journal always pushes an agenda. What is its obsession with suckler's and the necessity that they are required within the beef system.

2-3 years ago it set up that Suckler demo farm that was going to show the great unwashed that mixed drystock of suckler's and sheep could turn a profit. They have gone through 2-3 slaves( farm managers) and are looseing money before labour and rental costs.

I predicted after the last CAP much of what has came to pass this time. Money was always going to be redirected at greening. If rather than being sidetracked on upward only convergence had agri journalists and Farm bodies dealt with the reality on the ground things might be a bit different.

The upward only convergence saga promoted by the IFA and not challenged by the FJ was nothing short of the most disgraceful bit of journalistic cowardice that I have ever seen in any publication that want to be seen as serious

Yes that’s definitely what I was seeing. Any plain cattle up to about 450kgs were flying up to €1.80/€1.90/kg and then come to a sudden stop and a struggle for the auctioneer to get them any bit more then.

Thank God someone else can see in your posts what I see, conspiracy theories left right and centre.

It wasn't the Journals place to challenge the candidates, it'd be another opportunity for conspiracy theorists to say the supported one candidate over another. they asked the questions and published the answers.

Tullamore farm was set up, not to show farmers, but to see was there any way they could make money, your begrudgery has blinded you to that fact. It was for research. They're on their second manager, the first was going to be shortterm any way, present one mightn't stay that long, he's too good to be farming or working for farmers

There are people on here that will vouch for that fact that, during the last CAP reform, I told posters to contact the IFJ for information and they were on EMAIL most of the day ....and night to answer questions

As I say IFJ are a successful business doing a good job.

Can't delete my post, feck it, lovely weather...🤣

I must buy it before I go home, I have great respect for Heney.

Potterton is a gifted writer, I heard his son is working in IFA but haven't seen it reported anywhere

I agree Re his beef system and the article today is very accurate. From his prospective he was more than right about the protests because we got a grid system which disadvantages friesian cattle even more than before and not much else was achieved.

I honestly believe that some senior DAFM personnel are more than aware of F&F and keep track on threads. I have been saying for the last 5 or 6 years that we need NSAI (ISO/National Standards Authority of Ireland) to independently inspect, certify and oversee the operation of VIA's (Video Imaging Analysis) machines. Most if not all beef plants have achieved various ISO/NSAI certifications to enhance the operation of their business to their customers. It's sort of puzzling that they don't have similar indpendent certification for what I consider to be an seriously important component between them and their suppliers 😕

It's nothing about conspiracy theories. We only have to look at what happened to the SIU officer that got into trouble after he was too diligent in checking a couple of semi coporate vets practices, large finishers and the horsy crowd. Even though any complaint against him was never held up in court he was moved sideways. It probably cost him a fortune. He lost milage and day/night allowances.

Machines would not have been tweaked overnight. It would have been s slight tweak over a year or more you would train an inspector's eye to see different you do not see the hedges grow I er a day or a week but suddenly after a year they are earthing the wire everywhere. The difference's can be very minor at first but suddenly like the ditches those plain AA&HE are grading O-, good Friesians are now O- and middling ones are P+. Slightly more cattle fail to make 3- and a few more slip into over fat.

I only kill a handfull of cattle but I know for a fact my cattle will grade fatter in a certain factory .This factory will nail anyone with suckler bred cattle as a result bur easier for fr .Other farmers have this noted as well .But my question is why should this be if all grading machines are callibtrated the same

I was Co chairman in 2013 protest , branch meetings every night, straight over to Kilbeggan after meetings, organised sandwiches for the day at the local service station at 6 am and a few breakfasts for the few that were at teh factory, Then meet the press and radio staions at 10am . Could go look after my sheep when the IFA REP arrived. I was glad they only did three day stints at a time,

Yea I stopped in 2001 alright only difference was I thought there was hope in 2001 but knew I was wasting my time in 2013, very soul destroying