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All Ireland Senior Hurling Championship (Liam McCarthy Cup) 2021

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Christy ring wouldn't lace shane kingstons boots.



  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭raindodger


    lot of respect from the cork lads to limerick for the way we have managed our resourses over last few years.Think we are to short a price in a two horse race. Far far from being a done deal the only thing present lads have been able to handle the favourites tag will be great banter around here on the border fingers crossed .(any tickets)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    I'd say things will be fairly lively around Charleville, for the next two weeks anyway! 😁

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭prishtinaboy99


    obviously Limerick Are going to throw the kitchen sink at Cork from the word go not to leave Cork in the game when they are at their most dangerous when it opens up but Everyone expects Limerick to have the damage done by half time.

    If Cork somehow manage to hang onto their coat tails then an upset is on the cards.

    Are Limerick an ultra professional Version like Dublin or will the red hot favorites Tag get to them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,123 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Tickets wise I would imagine Cork vs Limerick is one of the worst possible finals for spare tickets. I made it to the semi but I'm not even gonna try with the 40k capacity final



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,424 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    I think we can beat Limerick but I think we have to improve in 3 areas from yesterday

    1. The first ten minutes I thought we looked nervous, we were taking that extra touch with the ball and KK stole it few times too many. Got be stronger from the start

    2. Got to take our goal chances. Kilkenny missed 5 ot 6 easy points but we missed 4 or 5 very good goal chances. I guess we scored a point from over 50% of those which kept scoreboard ticking over, but we have bury least 70% of our goal chances next day

    3. Going need to show discipline, but also have more than just a Plan A. We will need be quick to change things around if things ain't going our way.

    Sideline will be huge for us. Limerick by 3 or 4 points for me but if we get the above right you never know



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭External Association


    Limerick have great support. I was a neutral at Limerick v KK in 2019. Limerick about 8 to 1. (I know kilkenny aren't the best) Very vocal too. When they were playing Offaly, 94, and Wexford, 96, I was supporting the Leinster counties. But after 96 I very much wanted Limerick to win one. I thought they would after the 2000-2002 U21 wins but nothing really materialised. So 2018 was a great day for genuine hurling fans to see the 45 year gap bridged.

    Naturally I'd love to see Laois and the gap to 1915 bridged.....but I'm realistic! So Waterford is the other big one I'd like to see in my lifetime, maybe Dublin.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭External Association


    I suppose you could draw parallels with Limerick 2019 and Dublin 2014.

    Will Limerick progress like Dublin post 2014? Who knows. I think there are more counties in contention in hurling than football. That's why a young emerging Cork is a great test of Limerick's credentials, and also Limerick carrying the heavy favourites tag.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭External Association


    People from counties who contest all irelands, in both codes often take it for granted. Enjoy your day, you don't know how lucky you are. My county, Laois, last contested a senior final, in hurling v Tipperary in 1949, 72 years ago. And a football final in 1935 v Mayo, 86 years ago. But we dream on.

    Through no fault of our own, Laois, Carlow, Longford, Leitrim, Wicklow, Fermanagh, Westmeath etc will never contest a Senior All Ireland final in our lives.

    Through accident of birth and the Elizabethan county system!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭lukin


    The media always make the defending champions the favourites in an All-Ireland final. But it doesn't always happen that the defending champions win. Like I was amazed in 2011 that Tipperary were favourites to beat Kilkenny (I know that is going back a good bit but still). I always thought it was a nailed-on certainty that Kilkenny would win that game. Same in 2006 when Cork were going for three-in-a-row and Kilkenny were the challengers (Kilkenny win).

    I know in both of those examples Kilkenny were the challengers but still it's an interesting point. I think if you look back over the last 30, 40 years the only counties to successfully defend an All-Ireland were Kilkenny (numerous occasions) and Galway in 1988. Limerick may well buck that trend and are most certainly well-equipped to do so.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭External Association


    Cork 1976-78 and 2004-5.

    Good points.

    Offaly v Clare 1995 is another example of the defending champion being favourites. Offaly had destroyed KK in the Leinster final.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭lukin


    Yeah Cork retained it in 2005, I forgot that one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭raindodger


    Hard to see how the gaa maintain to get crowds at matches with such an unfair system .Its great to be a supporter when things are going well not so easy when you are getting beat out the gate.Or like my crowd unlimited heartbreak for years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,014 ✭✭✭slegs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,014 ✭✭✭slegs


    Cork have choked in countless matches over the last 3-4 years so it’s a bit rich using that one against Limerick who have the best record of any team since 2018. Even in 2019 Limerick walked the league and won Munster hammering Tipperary in the final.



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    It's incredibly hard to win back to back alright. There's a lot of stats that point to a Limerick loss tbf, which is what makes the odds so unrealistic imo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 943 ✭✭✭Vinnie222


    It's easier when one side is far superior than the other. This will be very 1 sided like last yr



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭BarryNumber1


    "Cork have choked"... indeed, but not yesterday against KK who in recent years would have had a psychological edge over Cork. Great to See Cork do it in extra time having had the game all but won. They might apply the same attitude in the final. I don't think KK are as bad as some indicate on here, any KK team with 'ol spitty hands' Cody in charge has a shot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,424 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Just watching back on the match and I loved the Cork reaction to the throw in before the game. Kilkenny lads trying welcome Cork to Croker with few nice shoulders and few digs with butt of hurley but Cork were having none of it and gave it back to Kilkenny and they were not long standing down.

    The old Cork would have stood down, not this time. Cork were once ready for battle and they needed to be. Will need do same in 2 weeks



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭Speakerboxx


    Limerick fell apart against a below par Kilkenny team then in 2019. Limerick have a brutal record against Kilkenny in championship. Cork have choked last few years but in reality they weren't good enough to win except maybe 2013 All Ireland where they were close to winning but didn't get over the line. Same with 2018 semi final where they had Limerick beaten out the gate and then sat back and didn't finish the Job and had no impact subs like Limerick had that day to finish the job. Limerick nearly lost in the end in 2018 final to Galway they fell over the line eventhough the game was going in Limericks favour for most of the game. They barely won it in the end.

    Limerick won't like playing Cork again and a written off Cork team in an All Ireland final will not fear anyone especially Limerick. There won't be a puck of a ball in this and I think Cork can win this. Its set up nicely for them. Pressure is on Limerick to determine if they are the greatest team after Kilkenny. I don't they are but that remains to be seen. If you ask me there is too much hype about Limerick and they will brought down to reality soon enough if it doesn't happen in this years final.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭Speakerboxx


    Keep telling yourself that. You will be surprised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭prishtinaboy99


    Cork didn’t have the players in 2018 end of story to close the deal. Remember Daniel Kearney hobbling around Croker absolutely spent but nobody on the bench they could replace him with. 2021 is a different story, they have a bench that will win games these days.

    whatever happens in the final they will be around for a long time, that minor team look freakishly big and skillful. Massive conveyor belt of top notch hurlers coming off the production line that nobody else can get near.

    its the winning mentality that is bred into successful underage teams that you cannot match. Remember those lads who started in 99, they couldn’t give a donkeys who they were playing be it Clare or Kilkenny they knew they were going to win. You don’t learn that watching the Sunday Game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    As Gorilla Monsoon used to say, to Bobby The Brain Heenan will you stop!

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    That reference whatever it means is from a completely different generation to mine



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭Speakerboxx




  • Registered Users Posts: 943 ✭✭✭Vinnie222


    Except this Limerick side has the titles to back up the hype. Anyways 2 weeks time will tell 👍



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭Speakerboxx


    We will see.

    Cork 30 All Irelands.

    Limerick 9 All Irelands

    fair way to go for Limerick to catch Cork in terms of titles irrespective of history.


    Like I said previously

    Very lucky v Cork 2018 semi

    Very lucky v Galway 2018 All Ireland where they fell over the line. They nearly repeated 1994.

    No where to be seen in 2019 and lost to a below par Kilkenny team who were past their sell by day.

    Beat a physiologically damaged Waterford team in 2020 twice to win All Ireland when it was a strange year in hurling terms. Galway should have beaten them too in 2020 but didn't have the belief after 2018. Most of that Limerick panel still involved.

    Tipp destroyed Limerick in first half of munster final 2021 and old age and miles on clock for their team couldn't sustain it. Limerick aren't the dream team they are perceived to be and have a definition of being chokers in croke park. I would be confident that Cork will be with them right to the end. Cork love their hurling and are always a tough opposition in All Ireland final day. Limerick aren't like the greatest Kilkenny team that people are trying to compare them to. Waterford were beaten before they ever played them in the semi final. I think the kilkenny test for Cork will bring them on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    Ah yes only wrestling fans, from the early 90' would get that one!

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users Posts: 223 ✭✭One_More_Mile


    That Limerick team got to the final twice and showed up twice. Inexperience almost caught them in 18, chokers they certainly aren't. Cork are unknown. what Cork have won when matches were being shown in black and white on TV has no relevance to Sunday week



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭crossman47


    That wins the medal for the most nonsensical post on this thread. I am old enough to have seen Ring play. He still ranks as the greatest. He had it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,123 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I think maybe just maybe it was a bit of a tongue in cheek joke



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,123 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Nowhere to be seen in 2019. Is that the 2019 league and Munster champions you are referring to there.

    And why should Galway have beaten them in 2020. What have you seen to make you believe that the favourites who were unbeaten at the time should have lost to Galway



  • Registered Users Posts: 829 ✭✭✭pajoguy


    Ah lad seriously....

    Cork were lucky to get to extra time in 2018 thanks to a soft free to level it. Limerick only team in it in extra time. Not limericks fsult cork had no bench.

    We were the better team by a country mile in 2018 final only for James owens trying to even it up. Casey fouled in lead up to galway first goal and the last free the galway player threw himself to the ground cause he was surrounded by limerick players. We beat all the best teams to win probably one of the hardest all irelands ever.

    We won the league and munster in 2019 so nowhere to be seen is a stretch. Caught cold in 1st half of semi final. Munster champions a desperate record in semis due to the break.

    We were a mile ahead of everyone last year apart from Galway and when the chips were down the team yet again didnt choke.

    So u discount one of the best 35 minutes of hurling v tipp too and put it down to old age. We had tipp turned over in 10 minutes after half time not the last 5 minutes.

    This team doesnt choke. They have written their own history.

    I have great time for cork supporters. The well wishes we got at the final whistle in 2018 was unbelievable compared to other counties sour grapes.

    The bookies have 5 points in it from what I heard and based on form its about right but 5 points in hurling is nothing. I for one am very wary of Cork and not a believer thats its a foregone conclusion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭Speakerboxx


    Fair enough but some guys on here are saying Cork haven't a hope based on what? If you go back to munster semi final, Cork were well beaten but they were competitive for 55 mins of that game. They have come along way since then and are now more dangerous. They weren't showing their hand eventhough if Limerick were better on the day.


    Clare won All Ireland in 2013 and were well beaten by Cork in munster semi final that year. 8 points if i remember correctly? but it had no relevance to the All Ireland final where it was a brand new game again. What I'm saying is Limerick won't beat Cork out the gate this time as what some posters are suggesting here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 829 ✭✭✭pajoguy


    I wouldnt be suggesting it either. Cork look like they have improved. Horgan wont play as bad again as the evening in thurles. It makes for a great 2 weeks of banter around the border areas. I was shouting for cork in 2013. Genuine supporters and you will find the majority of Limerick supporters genuine too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭zetecescort


    Fergal Horgan appointed final referee



  • Registered Users Posts: 829 ✭✭✭pajoguy


    Fair appointment. Best around in the last few years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭lukin


    Another thing if you look at past finals is that a "non-traditional county" has been unable to win three All-Ireland's in a four or five year period for a long time. Clare won two in 95 and 97, Offaly did it in 94 and 98.Neither won it a third time. Clare won it in 2013 but not a second time, Galway in 2017 but not a second time. Cork couldn't do it (2004 and 2005 but not a third time). Even Tipperary (a "traditional" county) couldn't do it; They won the AI in 2010, 2016 and 2019 but there is a six year gap between the first two.

    So if Limerick do it it will be quite something. It's difficult to do it and it doesn't matter who you are playing in the "third" final. It just goes to show how exceptional Cody's Kilkenny teams were; a four in a row and a three in a row four years after that.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭blackcard


    Kilkenny had a 4 in a row 2006-2009 and three back to back titles, 2002-2003, 2011-2012 and 2014-2015



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭lukin


    Yeah they did back-to-back titles as well as three in a row and four in a row. But I am referring to counties outside of the big three of Cork, Tipp and Kilkenny.



  • Registered Users Posts: 492 ✭✭Butterbeans


    But you also mentioned a 3 in a row which Kilkenny never did under Cody, unless you count 2006-2008



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭lukin


    OK they didn't do three in a row under Cody. They did a four in a row and three two in a rows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,424 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    I think this tradition is being bigged up a little.

    Remember Cork lost a AI final to clare only few years back. Now to be fair Cork did everything to hand it to Clare but still they didn't get over the line.

    It used to be a lot bigger thing but this Limerick side is coming off the back of two All Ireland in 3 years. So they ain't new to this and monkey off the back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭lukin


    I know but the point remains it is very hard to retain the AI in hurling. Only Kilkenny and Cork have done it in the twenty years.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭prishtinaboy99


    Bookies generally have Limerick plus 5 points to Cork, that a realistic assessment of where both teams are. Cork will be a bit better than earlier in the season, if the ball hops their way that’s down to two. Squeaky bum time with 10 to go for Limerick and Shane Kingston burning down the wing perhaps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭lukin


    Since the back door was introduced there are loads of examples of teams getting hammered in the provincial series and then later in the year they win the All-Ireland (sometimes against the team that hammered them). Offaly in 1998 a prime example. The point is that trying to predict a winner based on the games they played already in the championship is sometimes pointless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    I was never more sure of anything than Italy winning the euros, and annoyed everyone on the forum for a year and no one believed me. They won. I thought Cork would win the hurling but was less sure, now I'm more sure tbh. This is Corks bread and butter, young quick and wrote off in a final, they've always won these games.

    You see, Limerick are like Federer before Nadal. They've never bottled anything so can't question their mental strength, but they've never beaten one of the big 3 in a final. Now one of those big 3 has risen again. A team that beat them like dogs for years. They will fear Cork, Cork won't fear them.

    People laugh at history, but how many times does the smaller and better team just always miss out? Cork will take great heart from their history, they are a giant of the game. This will be a factor in psychology whether anyone cares to admit it.

    Limerick have never beaten Cork 3 times in a row in the championship, or twice in one year. You better believe they'll know this. History will weigh heavy on their shoulder's. Like Italy in the football, even if a current team has never won, that mentality has been instilled in them, the Cork players will be calmer under such pressure I believe. Limerick have a small county mentality, they'll never dominate like the big 3. They are ripe for the picking I think. Genuinely believe Cork will tear into them, they'll fear a rejuvenated Cork, history will give Cork great heart and belief.

    History didn't lie. The shrewd punters will go with those who have always done it through out history. As I said, Limerick have won the Liam, but never beat one of the big 3, least not the team who have given them their worst beatings through out history. They'll doubt themselves against Cork, Cork will have no doubts. They are playing to be back where they should of been all along, hurlings top dogs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Exactly, there are only 3 proven winners in hurling. History has showed this again and again. Limerick don't have that big team mentality, despite this Cork teams lack of success, they'll have that big team mentality in abundance. It's breed in the psychology for generations. This is a giant v a minnow



  • Registered Users Posts: 829 ✭✭✭pajoguy


    The shrewd punters....... how come the bookies have Limerick the favorites....

    I have read some waffle in this forum but I think you have topped it.

    Im afraid ye have a long way to go to be hurlings top dogs thanks to Cody & Co.

    The mighty Clare beat cork in 2013..... and that was considered a soft all ireland by many.



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