So UFOs aren't a theory anymore - but we still don't know what they are

Good old Bigelow and his payback form Harry Reid. Hopefully he'll find his space poltergeists soon.

The latest guff to be promoted by George Knapp.

https://www.mysterywire.com/ufo/the-summoners/

Good old Bigelow and his payback form Harry Reid. Hopefully he'll find his space poltergeists soon.

The latest guff to be promoted by George Knapp.

https://www.mysterywire.com/ufo/the-summoners/

it would be naive to think our planet is the only one to contain life in the universe.

This always bugged me about aliens as an explanation for UFOs.

According to believers, aliens out in the universe were around as the same time as us and close enough to travel to us and have the technology to travel interstellar distances. Then they also somehow discovered that we are here from lightyears away, then wanted to expend the resources to travel those lightyears to visit us. In this discovery they somehow learn that they can't just reveal themselves to us directly for reasons, so they know they need to stay hidden. Yet at the same time, they aren't able to continue their study from their home system, so they have to travel lightyears in their ships to do so.

Then when they arrive in our solar system they decide that rather than park well out of our ability to detect them, they regularly come into our atmosphere. And for some reason despite being super technologically advanced, they don't do anything to cloak themselves from something as primitive as radar? And they also start appearing in visual range of people? And sometimes they even just forget to turn off the ship's running lights?

And then their goal seems to be to fly down to Earth and zoom around in weird patterns in a specific area where only a very small amount of people would see them.

I know you can't really apply human logic to something not human, but...?

I think too much TV/sci-fi/movies have switched people's brains off about this a bit.

Perhaps we are being visited regularly by extra terrestrials but the notion that they keep leaving little tantalising blurry clues is just getting silly, and involves a lot of wishful thinking. It's too "Bigfoot" for me, just conveniently out of focus every time.

Well if they aren't trying to conceal themselves why aren't the reports of alien ships hanging out just in full daylight view of a whole city? How come reports of aliens only seem to happen in isolated areas?

The usual response of believers is that they are trying to conceal themselves.

If aliens wanted to do this, it would be trivial for them. Either by staying very far away and observing from a distance. Or if they have to enter the atmosphere for some reason, by using technology to mask themselves. (Now we're getting quite good at cloaking ourselves from radar using current earth technology.) Or at the very least turning off their running lights.

Why do believe that aliens ships only seem to be spotted in isolated areas rather than heavily populated places with huge amounts of witnesses?

If you are arguing that the motivations of aliens are unknowable and beyond our ken, then why assume that they want to visit us in the first place?

Well if you want my opinion you can just ask, there's no need to get accusatory about it.

My opinion is that these phenomenon are probably not aliens. There are a great many other possibilities that are far more likely that haven't been discounted. And at the same time the alien explanation just doesn't make a whole bunch of sense.

Again if aliens are going to the bother of avoiding people seeing them in great numbers this implies they are trying to conceal themselves. If they are trying to conceal themselves then it would be trivial for them to avoid being detected by radar as well.

I'm not as familiar with the specifics of the incident you're referring to. Dohnjoe has more of a knowledge of those.

In my experience though when people claim "there's no other explanation" it rarely is the case. There's usually a lot of other explanations that exist that they are discounting.

To my knowledge the new reports that everyone is buzzing about don't rule out any explanations, just say that they can't determine the explanation.

I wouldn't consider "aliens" a logical explanation as again, it doesn't logically make sense for them to do what is being claimed. It doesn't make sense for them to be detected by radar if they are trying to conceal themselves. If they aren't trying to conceal themselves it doesn't make sense that they are only observed in remote areas and in edge cases.

Ok. We know that it can't be aliens then as it doesn't make sense for them to be detected by radar.

But I've already explained this in my previous post.

If they did come here (you're assuming that they can and would want to) why would they need to enter the atmosphere and enter into radar range? If they can detect us from lightyears away, there's no need for them to get that close. It would be easy for them to just part at high orbit and observe from there. We have the technology to get high resolution satellite imagery now. Aliens who've mastered interstellar travel would have been better technology to do this.

Additionally, now we have technology that allows us to reduce radar signatures. Aliens who can travel lighyears and have anti gravity technology probably also can do this too.

So if they are showing up on radar, it doesn't make sense for them to be aliens.

But I did give you my opinion. And there's no need to be so accusatory and confrontational, you can just ask me what I believe.

I don't know for sure what the real explanation is. There are many things that it could be. But I think that aliens is a very very low possibility because there is no positive evidence for such a thing and that explanation doesn't actually make any logical sense as per my post above.

As for what it could be here's a good thread that goes though the video and discusses it:

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/uss-omaha-ufo-uap-radar-video.11762/page-7

On that page one poster gives a summary that I think is a reasonable explanation that is far more likely than aliens.

What do you think of this explanation? Is it possible? Is it reasonable?

Can you link a specific case (or cases) that you firmly believe is an "alien" craft?

Is there a specific case in particular that you find is very conclusive? If so, please link it.

My point is that I've come across cases, then looked them up on skeptic forums and there have been plausible explanations. As of yet I haven't seen anything I'd consider quite conclusive.

A lot of the arguments here are completely ignorant and purely assumptions

At least do a SMIDGEN of research

for me Obama saying this is fairly eye opening

Stuck pixels on the firmament presumably.

That's not the argument he's making though.

But you have to admit it’s likely a life form has visited us and use lights for interstellar travel that are the same as human aircraft.

The chances of two forms of intelligent life from two different solar systems ever encountering each other is 0. The scale space and the time of the universe is so great, and the time duration that any lifeforms are likely to exist before wiping themselves out or being wiped out are so tiny that it would never happen.

Two contradictory sentences above, the number is non zero. Everything else is just guesses. This has all been pondered before with the drake equation and the fermi paradox.

Remember

As Arthur C Clarke said : "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"

and

J. B. S. Haldane said "My own suspicion is that the universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose."

Not what I wrote at all. Have a read of my post again.

what a lazy, disrespectful and arrogant picture.

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