A 30 KPH limit for Dublin

crooked cockney villain · 10-08-2021 9:08pm

Was there ever a final decision made on this? Last I heard was about two months ago, public consulation replies were overwhelmingly negative but the wasters were seeking to push on anyway.

Got reminded of this nonsense this morning when a Google type road king Spanish la tried weaving rightwards without glancing behind him, as they all do, causing me to jam on the brakes to avoid hitting him, then got the usual sour puss on him for having the gall to call out his ignorant cycling.

lawred2 · 10-08-2021 9:13pm

I'd hardly class the Malahide Road as a dual carriage way. It is in parts but mostly it's one car lane.

crooked cockney villain · 10-08-2021 9:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117734910#Comment_117734910

All day Sunday, every day pre 7am and post...7am is it?

Does it for me.

lawred2 · 10-08-2021 9:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117734918#Comment_117734918

Shhhh will you... don't be saying that. People will start using the bus lane on Sundays with that talk.

AndrewJRenko · 10-08-2021 9:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117734889#Comment_117734889

If you had to jam on the brakes, you were going too fast or too close or both.

crooked cockney villain · 10-08-2021 9:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117734963#Comment_117734963

LOLZ.

I am passing this daft kunt a good 4- 6 ft to his right. He was swaying out of the cycle lane. How many feet do you require?

Mount the footpath on the other side?

Can you show me what percentage of cyclist accidents in Dublin have actually been found to have been caused by driver conduct rather than cyclist negligence?

John_Rambo · 13-08-2021 8:43pm

Statistics from the Gardai state that they catch 24 times more motorists than cyclists braking red lights.

Statistic from Transdev, the LUAS people reveal that motorists account for more than half of all crashes and emergency braking incidents, pedestrians more than one third and cyclists less than 10 per cent.

AndrewJRenko · 13-08-2021 8:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117734979#Comment_117734979

Did you not have those statistics BEFORE you jumped to your conclusions?

magicbastarder · 14-08-2021 11:01am

Can you show me what percentage of cyclist accidents in Dublin have actually been found to have been caused by driver conduct rather than cyclist negligence?

don't think anyone has ever compiled those statistics for dublin. but studies in london and (i think) toronto found that motorists were to blame in most KSIs involving collisions between motorists and cyclists.

magicbastarder · 14-08-2021 11:06am

from a different report:

"With adult cyclists, police found the driver solely responsible in about 60%-75% of all cases, and riders solely at fault 17%-25% of the time."

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/dec/15/cycling-bike-accidents-study

mikhail · 14-08-2021 3:26pm

Lads, data isn't going to change the minds of the folks who hate cyclists. Never has.

crooked cockney villain · 15-08-2021 11:00am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117752917#Comment_117752917

No, it won't.

Leaving the Dre Beats headphones at home, not scrolling through their phone while cycling, having the cop on to glance to their backwards right when merging into traffic, making all of that standard behavior would change a few minds.

But they won't. So here we are.

Cyclist behavior will never change until a system of licenses, road tax, insurance and penalty points is introduced. But the Greens will never allow it.

AndrewJRenko · 15-08-2021 11:45am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117756763#Comment_117756763

How's that system of licenses, road tax, insurance and penalty points working out for addressing the behaviour of motorists, 98% of whom break urban speed limits, the majority of whom use their phones while driving, and who are responsible for 88% of red light jumping in Dublin?

Those motorists really need to leave their Blaupunkt speakers at home.

John_Rambo · 15-08-2021 10:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117756763#Comment_117756763

As a motorist, I implore you not to encourage a road tax for any road users, that's the thin end of the wedge. If the cyclists are hit with a road tax for €10 the road tax for motorists would be most likely in the thousands per year for a comparable usage of road repair and spending.

Weepsie · 15-08-2021 10:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117756763#Comment_117756763

Others have already asked the question how that system is working for motorists

Over the past 5 years or so, there has been circa 250,000 drivers with points on their licence. That's a staggering amount of individuals found to have been breaking the law. Considering some points expire and some are completely banned altogether, this figure changes constantly, but quarter of a million is around the number on a consistent basis. I gave up going back further when I went looking.

km991148 · 16-08-2021 11:46am

lol "ohh the greens"

no - logic will not allow it. Not the stereotypical bogeyman that lives in the minds of many.

AndrewJRenko · 16-08-2021 12:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117759568#Comment_117759568

If you calculated a road tax proportional to the wear and tear arising on the road, a €10 annual charge for cyclists (which would cost more to collect and administer than it would bring in) would equate to about €1.4 million annual charge for the average family car, based on the 4th power rule.

Be careful what you wish for.

16-08-2021 7:44pm

Thank you to whoever posted the video earlier in the thread. It really makes me want to visit the Netherlands next time I am able to travel. Although after watching the video, it's left me feeling sad in a way that we will probably never achieve anything similar over here. I feel there are just too many NIMBY's and those who refuse to accept change, although maybe when the climate crisis truly starts to bite down hard those attitudes may start to soften.

Or more likely due to sea level rise will have to abandon our current cities and build new ones in more suitable locations. Perhaps then we could think about putting in some much-needed cyclist and pedestrian friendly infrastructure.

16-08-2021 7:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117761463#Comment_117761463

For those that whinge about us cyclists not paying tax. I would like to remind those people that we pay VAT on our bikes as well as on the cycling jerseys and shorts that we wear. Over the years I've contributed hundreds in VAT just from cycling stuff. I think that about covers me for the so-called "road tax".

downtheroad · 16-08-2021 8:10pm

The wife drove at 30kph along the Strand Road inbound on Saturday night, got overtaken by 4 or 5 cars along the way. Not too sure what the point of the new speed limit is there when it is so blatantly being ignored.

Larbre34 · 16-08-2021 9:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117763790#Comment_117763790

It's not a new speed limit. Its a temporary speed limit, wrongfully imposed due to the cessation of works on the now dead Strand Road cycleway scheme.

The city Council argued that changes they had made to the junctions prior to being forced to suspend work made them unsafe for a limit of 50 km/h. It is my contention, that that argument was bullshyt and that the junctions operate perfectly fine.

And so nobody is observing the 30 limit and clearly the Gardaí aren't interested in enforcing what they also see as a nonsensical limit.

I've already written to the Lord Mayor and the Chairs of the South East Area Committee and the Transportation policy Committee seeking to have any minor works needed on Strand Road expedited and the speed limit restored to the default urban limit of 50,in the interests of consistency and safety.

downtheroad · 16-08-2021 9:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117764078#Comment_117764078

Great explanation! Learn something every day.

Podge_irl · 16-08-2021 9:34pm

The Gardai are not interested in enforcing most speed limits, though given your fondness for the law I would have thought you would at least give lip service to suggesting drivers do so.

Larbre34 · 16-08-2021 9:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117764182#Comment_117764182

As far as speed limits go, it has absolutely zero credibility. Its why I've asked anyone I can think of in a position of influence on the Council to change it.

I couldn't ever suggest anyone observe such a flawed temporary bye-law.

mikhail · 17-08-2021 10:57am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117756763#Comment_117756763

I don't cycle any more, but none of the behaviour you mention described either of the cyclists I've personally seen run over by cars, in both cases while cycling tens of metres behind them. Check your blind spots, folks.

Pinch Flat · 17-08-2021 11:11am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117756763#Comment_117756763

Interesting. I've never heard these points before. Also road tax also doesn't exist but hey this has been pointed out a gazillion times before. And fully taxed motorists are quite capable of these behaviours, with much more devastating consequences. For some reason those these are tolerated.

mrcheez · 19-08-2021 12:53pm

Saw this thread for the first time just now... saw it had 48 pages ... bet myself that by 48 pages they HAVE to be complaining about cyclists.

Clicked "48" and ..... Didn't leave disappointed.

A 30 KPH limit for Dublin

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