All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

Ok, after a Nobel Prize and the Principal Medical Advisor of the Italian Government you wanted to have an official document? Here it is NATURE

Covid, the latest study in NATURE: "With mass vaccinations we generate new variants resistant to vaccines that will go on forever"

Article in Italian: https://www.meteoweb.eu/2021/08/covid-studio-nature-vaccinazioni-generano-nuove-varianti/1713170/

OFFICIAL STUDY: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-95025-3

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I ASSUME AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FACEBOOK DO NOT TEACH TO READ: 

“A HIGH NUMBER OF VACCINATIONS CREATES A SELECTIVE ADVANTAGE OF THE RESISTANT STRAIN OVER THE WILDTYPE STRAIN. The effective reproductive number of the wildtype versus the resistant strains, Rtwt/Rtr, is (V + S)/S, which is the selective advantage 1 + s in Eq. (1). Thus, when V is large the resistant strain has a growth advantage over the wildtype strain, contributing to its establishment in the population towards the end of the vaccination campaign. Taken together, the highest probability for establishment of the resistant strain for a given p is reached when V, Iwt and β (and the corresponding Rtr) are large (Fig. 2c, Eq. (1)).

Got it??? “A HIGH NUMBER OF VACCINATIONS CREATES A SELECTIVE ADVANTAGE OF THE RESISTANT STRAIN OVER THE WILDTYPE STRAIN" You wanna challenge also Nature now??

Time for somebody to be ashamed 😉

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Lol. An excellent reply that addresses all my points. I'm sure all the university professors you claim to talk to will be proud of that.

In reality however, you are again dodging and running away from points. But ignoring them you are conceding them and admiting that you can't answer them.

You admit that you didn't actually read the study, you just googled it and found the title online. You admit that the study supports the idea of covid measures and vaccinations despite your stance.

I suspect more deflection next or a huffy exit from the thread.

So can you explain what is wrong with the explanation given in the following article, as to why vaccines don't cause variants, and why Montagnier is wrong (they call his ideas 'completely bonkers') - https://www.healthline.com/health-news/no-vaccines-do-not-cause-new-sars-cov-2-variants

I'm convinced...

..."COVID-dicianove" sounds way sexier than COVID-19.

The scientist in the video appears to be over-simplifying the process of the formation of variants which, as I understand it, is random and is really speeded-up evolution. The virus is not intelligent enough to behave like a cat burglar and "look for" weaknesses, even if the next result might be the same. But this would also happen with people protected by naturally-acquired heard immunity: if the bog-standard virus can't find a way in, for whatever reason, a mutation sometimes can.

Ok, thanks for that link. Now are you sure you understand what you posted? That is not saying that vaccines create variants. What it is saying is that variants occur randomly, and depend on the amount of transmission, and how many people get the virus. What then happens is that vaccines suppress the variants that the vaccines are effective against, but if a new variant emerges that the vaccines are not effective against then that new strain will not be suppressed, and it will become more common. If we didn't have vaccines that new variant would still appear, and transmit, but it might not be as common as other variants if vaccines weren't suppressing the other variants.

They aren't "Nobel Prizes" though. Why should we listen to experts when they don't have any prize?

You've ignored my previous question. This means that you are saying you disagree with what the study actually says.

So why are you now disagreeing with "MOST IMPORTANT SCIENTiFIC JOURNAL OF THE WORLD"

It seriously looks like the university of Facebook is exactly where Liam attends. He is just trying to tell us that. It’s the reason he posts in caps too. The university of Facebook teaches people that using capital letters gets other attendees attention. Unfortunately for them it is different in the real world.

I’m not on Facebook, but many people have their profiles as public. It looks like the new generation of“full time mad bastards” are anti-vaxers, conspiracy theorists, and anti-government while reaping in the benefits of government decisions.

I represented the arguments on the basis of Lancet, Nature, University of Oxford, Court of Appeal of Lisbon, etc. The only thing that you keep repeating is “Conspiracy Theory, Conspiracy Theory, Conspiracy Theory”

And then I remember that in 1945 George Orwell wrote (Animal Farm, page 86):

“The sheep were the greatest devotees of the Spontaneous Demonstration, and if anyone complained (as a few animals sometimes did, when no pigs or dogs were near) that they wasted time and meant a lot of standing about in the cold, the sheep were sure to silence him with a tremendous bleating of “Four legs good, two legs bad!” But by and large the animals enjoyed these celebrations. They found it comforting to be reminded that, after all, they were truly their own masters and that the work they did was for their own benefit.”

Goodbye :)

No, you misrepresented things you didn't read or understand and made many false claims. You are now announcing that you are running away from the thread and insulting people because you can't deal with being called out on your tactics.

Though in my experience and the fact you've said "goodbye" or "goodnight" or similar dramatic exits about a dozen times, I suspect we're going to have a few more post from you where you tell us goodbye a few more times before you finally disappear.

Again, another conspiracy theorist has shown how completely empty, dishonest and silly their beliefs are.

And still no one's been able to explain one measure that will be permanent.

What's the bets he's actually read either Animal Farm or 1984?

I do not have an underlying health condition that makes me vulnerable to covid.

My eyes have nothing to do with covid as far as I know. But if you have a study that indicates a connection between glaucoma (my eye condition) and covid, let me know by all means.

Funnily enough, due to decreased health services because of SARS-COV2, there has been an increase in issues due to glaucoma, you're also likely to be interacting with people who've been exposed to the virus (at the clinic) and you may not have been attending your checkups as often (ignore the clickbaity title of the article):

Survey Suggests People Living With Glaucoma at Increased Risk of Sight Loss and Blindness Due to COVID-19 Pandemic – Eyewire News