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Dublin mother shares footage of offered council house

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,211 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    That appears to be what she did though? She turned it down and went public, even with the knowledge of how other people were perceived when they went public and their lives were delved into and scrutinised to a degree on here that would make a social welfare inspector blush 😂

    The exterior of the premises and the surrounding areas do of course have an impact on anyone’s quality of life and their health, and just from the video alone there are a number of safety hazards which the council are entirely responsible for, no matter who the accommodation is being provided for.

    Frankly for all the complaining about how much it costs to accommodate people, I don’t think it’s at all productive to target individuals who aren’t responsible for the accommodation being offered. I hold the council responsible and the likes of DHRE responsible when they’re being funded to the tune of over €100m per annum!



    That’s far more worthy of the investigative skills of people on here who are wondering where successive Governments are spending public funds and it appears as though from the state of that shìthole and the condition it’s in, it does give rise to the question of where the fcuk is the money being spent?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭archfi


    I can't see the video but from what others say here, it's external only and places where 'kippy' status are more likely to be deployed, undergropund carpark, bin section. They shouldn't be like that, but some people are fcking animals.

    There's a convenience store, 2 x takeaways, a chemist and a hairdressers, bus stops a few yards away in/out, a community centre, what looks like a church and/or school, a pub and a park. Anywhere, any location I wouldn't like being directly above a row of shops/pub for sure but that is not a valid excuse when you are relying on the state to house you.

    Anyone using the phrase 'forever home' should be laughed at on sight, yer one complaining included. Rampant anti-social/drugs behaviour, no amenities, no secure access/ security measures to an apt building, disgusting living conditions inside are valid concerns - not that you want a garden.

    The issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution.

    The Entryism process: 1) Demand access; 2) Demand accommodation; 3) Demand a seat at the table; 4) Demand to run the table; 5) Demand to run the institution; 6) Run the institution to produce more activists and policy until they run it into the ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,612 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    Dampness is a recurring complaint in these cases but mostly it caused by tenants not opening their windows. If the council does anything, it will probably just install hole-in-the-vents which will leave a draught. So it is a very unnecessary reason to complain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Why are people getting so animated about the lifestyle of a woman and four kids who haven’t a pot to p1ss in

    I wouldn’t say it’s much of a life compared to the majority of yours or mine



  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So you're telling me a cracked or missing tile makes a house not fit for human habitation? Also, the property in OP is not fit for human habitation because there are bins and graffiti? Have you ever left your house?


    You're obviously trolling so I'll just ignore you now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 431 ✭✭Jeremy Sproket


    Keep your knees together until you can afford to house yourself.

    Your house is courtesy of most working men and women, the only time you ever lifted a finger is to fill out the single mothers allowance form. We need to stop paying people to spawn.



  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In relation to your last paragraph, as controversial as it may sound, I don't agree that those are reasons someone on a housing list should be allowed to use to get out of a crappy house being given to them.


    These places exist (and are usually in high-council-concentration areas) and people DO already live in them, so for someone who's expecting to have a house supplied and do nothing in return to earn it, they should be given no choice in the areas. It should be very clear; you get what you're given.


    There are people who are trying to get a handle on things and sort their lives out by getting a job, going to work, contributing to society and the economy. Lumping themselves with 30+ years of debt to repay, having to get out of bed each day, working full time jobs just to put a roof over their head, and making sure they keep working or they may well lose that very house. Someone who wants to ride a load of fellas and spend their days in bed counting their dole money shouldn't be considered equal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,559 ✭✭✭DublinWriter


    What ever happened to "her body her choice?". Never fails to astound me how the 'wokerati' suddenly fall-in to the right of Genghis Khan when these sort of stories emerge.

    Sorry if three years of Uni and a five more years of a career working in an American IT company didn't financially entitle you to a house. Them's the breaks. You can't be a weekend Socialist and a weekday Capitalist.

    I'm old enough to remember the tenement slums in Dublin in the 70's. Maybe the Catholic Church can provide facilities for such woman, perhaps where they earn their keep working in some sort of...laundry?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2 niallo93


    Place looks like terrible in fairness and surprised council can give a property above a pub, but on council list 13 years but seen a post shared with her kids wearing real Canada goose jackets.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Wow. That place is truly disgusting. I wouldn't blame anyone for turning it down.

    I think the County Council have an awful cheek offering a place in such awful condition. Those floorboards look dangerous and that basement and bins must be full of rats.

    They should at least provide accommodation that is clean (exterior and interior) and up to the the same standard as they expect from landlords who rent their properties to HAP tenants.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    99 times out of 100 the term forever home is used by people giving out about dolers (or suspected dolers) and they probably aren't much use themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    And We the tax payers will continue to foot the bill for her lifestyle choices till she gets another choice for her and fella mark from finglas (apparently) ,

    It doesn't look great but most social housing apartment blocks don't ,but yet many people are living there a few years and haven't run away from the apartments ,what does she expect for paying little rent in return for her lifestyle to be be provided for ,who cares what the under ground carpark looks like , typical entited person living off others ,want ,want,want



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,211 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Their accommodation certainly is not courtesy of any working men and women, wherever you got that idea. It’s provided by the council who have a responsibility to accommodate people with accommodation needs, and it’s the responsibility of the council if they own the property to ensure it is up to standards. In this particular case, the accommodation falls far short of health and safety standards which are not the tenants responsibility, they are the responsibility of the council.

    Nobody is paying anyone to spawn either. They are entitled to the same social protections as anyone in Irish society is entitled to. That’s the responsibility of the State and Government on behalf of the State, to ensure that social protection standards don’t end up with people being forced to live in squalor. It’s not healthy for anyone, let alone children, to be forced to live in those conditions.

    You’re wasting your time targeting individuals who are not responsible for the issues created by successive Governments failed leadership and the organisations which are keeping themselves in employment by ensuring that the situation only continues to worsen to the point where accommodation like that is deemed suitable for anyone. People being expected to live in squalor are right to highlight the fact that there’s hundreds of millions of euro being wasted with nothing to show for it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72


    Another example of why children allowance should be capped at a certain number of kids. You will also find that her “forever home” will have a wasted “Daddy” who never worked in his life either



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,938 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Their accommodation certainly is not courtesy of any working men and women

    Where do you think the money comes from?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,004 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    If the lady had no children she would be offered nothing. Join the dots.

    But having four kids without suitable housing is a joke these days. I often wonder why they do it again and again. Can't be just for the child allowance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,211 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    From the Exchequer if you want to work it right back to where it actually comes from. Nobody gets to decide where Government chooses to spend it’s revenue, so anyone who is of the idea that anyone is provided with accommodation courtesy of working men and women is simply deluding themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    So irrespective of whether of not us taxpayers get to decide where every penny goes, you're denying that the exchequer is a fund filled by every person who pays a tax?

    You might want to reassess who is deluded.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The council's steel security window shutters and door that they put up between tenants are still up on the apartment, so she mustn't have had access to the inside.

    Looks like someone has tried to gain entry, though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,362 ✭✭✭mojesius


    She mentioned how 'heartbroken' the kids were over this. Pulling the heart strings as usual with zero personal responsibility. If your kids are that disappointed, get up off your hole and get qualified, get a job. Be a shining example that they can look up to by striving for a better life for your family instead of sitting there moaning with your hand out playing the victim, expecting 'de council' to sort your affairs out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,211 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    I didn’t say that though? I was asked where the money comes from, it comes from the Exchequer. That’s clearly not the same thing as suggesting that anyone’s accommodation is courtesy of working men and women. That’s just silly. There’s plenty of middle managers between the Exchequer and the people who are expected to live in squalor.

    I wouldn’t consider offering anyone a shìthole is any kind of a courtesy, nor would I want anyone claiming I was somehow responsible for offering anyone a shìthole and expecting they should be satisfied to live in squalor.

    I know it sounds silly to you, but I expect higher standards of people who are tasked with providing accommodation to people who need it, especially when they’re being funded to the tune of €100m per annum in just the Dublin region alone. How much of that do you imagine is funded by whatever the Government decides you shall be taxed in any given year? I know it’s not a whole lot of mine, but again it does beg the question - where IS the money going? Because it’s certainly not going on providing accommodation if that’s the standard of accommodation they’re providing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 283 ✭✭anplaya27


    Nothing surprises me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    But that's not a uniform standard. Not locally, not nationally. It's the luck of the draw, literally.

    The cost of a HAP or RAS or whatever type dwelling they are calling it these days, to a local authority in Dublin, is about €25,000 per unit, per year. That's where the money goes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    How is it “evidently” a dump, we’ve seen no footage of the apartment itself. We’ve seen the roof and the car park of the building it is in.



  • Posts: 5,369 [Deleted User]


    How many of her kids were born AFTER she went to the council for housing?


    Another bullshit whine. Simple as



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  • Posts: 5,369 [Deleted User]


    Not the residents no?


    Must complain to the council next time my grass needs cutting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Coundils get their money from taxes paid by working individuals & companies. Most people agree that our social protection system is a good thing and is there to support people who need help, including providing housing but there's a lot of reports about some people who feel entitled to a similar standard of housing to houses that working people provide for themselves by working & paying back loans for years.

    Of course the council should provide decent accomodation and if they own that block of apartments then they need to do something about maintenance because it looks very run-down and neglected. If they dont own it theres not much they can do about the exterior.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,211 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    At least that’s a far more realistic and accurate representation of the situation than claiming that accommodation is provided to people who need it as a courtesy of working men and women (not to mention the number of working men and women who are also in receipt of welfare payments and their landlords who are in receipt of payments from the councils up and down the country).

    I know it’s the luck of the draw where and how people are accommodated, and that would indicate that where they are accommodated is not their responsibility, nor are the repairs, maintenance and upkeep of the property and the facilities their responsibility. That’s entirely the responsibility of the council or the housing body or organisation who are receiving money to provide suitable accommodation for those people who need it.

    I also know that what’s presented in the video in the opening post is not the standard, I’ve seen worse, and I’ve seen better, and I don’t blame anyone for refusing to be accommodated in accommodation which I would regard as wholly unsuitable and unacceptable. It’s simply unreasonable to suggest anyone should be accommodated in such conditions, let alone a family with children where they could easily injure themselves or suffer any number of ill health conditions, and then it would be the council who would still be responsible for having provided the family with sub-standard accommodation in the first place.

    I think it’s only right to highlight sub-standard accommodation and refuse to be accommodated there. It holds the council responsible for their incompetence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    It's the classic recipe - a conveyor belt of kids, no father(s) on the scene, a whopper sense of entitlement and zero personal responsibility.

    Post edited by Sofa King Great on


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Actually, no it won't. It's a myth that more kids get you housed more quickly. That was part of the problem the council had with Margaret Cash. She had too many kids.

    If this lady already has two boys and one girl, and has another girl, she'll still qualify for a 3 bed.

    But if she has another boy, and depending on the ages of the kids she already has, by the council's own rules on overcrowding, she will require four bed accommodation - which the council stopped building years ago, and the 4 bed stock they have rarely comes up. They're like hens teeth.

    Result? 10 more years on the waiting list for this family - thats if she ever gets off it. I'm sure thats not what she wants.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    The picture on Google is a few years old so maybe the place has been cleaned up a bit. If the accomodation is wholly unsuitable and unacceptable, how come its ok for the occupants of the other apartments in the block?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Watched that video and true only saw the outside but to be fair the graffiti and the messy bins are truly off putting. Can’t they at least sort that out and make the place more hospitable looking. Not a good look, first impressions etc. Probably would need a good tenant association to clean up the place. Not good for kids to be growing up in a place that looks so shabby and ugly.



  • Posts: 5,369 [Deleted User]


    If the people keep making absolute **** of the premises and neighborhood, how much can be spent constantly fixing it?


    It's not a magic pot but the simple reality is it's the residents **** it up...... Constantly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭mondeoman72


    Why not? She is irresponsible and popping kids she has no home for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    TBF the residents can't paint the exterior walls of the block and there are a lot of businesses there, so presumably someone is receiving service charges for the upkeep of the grounds & car park. But it is an old photo and the place might have been spruced up since it was taken.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,211 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    I haven’t seen the pictures on Google tbh, I’m only going from what was presented in the video in the opening post. I certainly wouldn’t suggest it was suitable or acceptable for anyone else to live in those conditions either, but so far the only person who has highlighted the issues and brought it to the attention of the national media in spite of the fact that they knew what would happen if they did, means they shouldn’t be on the receiving end of having their circumstances forensically examined by a mob on social media determined to make them regret bringing the issues to public attention, especially not when they’re the same people are cribbing about how their taxes are being spent. They’re aiming their ire at the wrong target. The person they’re attacking has no control whatsoever over social housing policies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Ah hold on now, people are allowed to discuss how their taxes are spent. Councils and government make rules that seem unfair to many taxpayers and social protection policies need to be reviewed regularly and changed if needed. Nobody likes to think they are being taken for a mug...



  • Posts: 5,369 [Deleted User]


    No they can't but like any property, they can avoid damaging it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,211 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    As much as is necessary to bring the accommodation up to suitable living standards.

    I know it’s not a magic pot or a bottomless pit of money (although some people act as though it is), but I’m not exaggerating when I suggest that the cost of having the purchase orders done up in triplicate costs more than the tin of paint purchased to paint over that graffiti, as just one example.

    There’s huge money being spent and wasted on providing an inefficient service which is top heavy in administration, which is where most of the funding is going, and there’s very little left to provide anything else.



  • Posts: 5,369 [Deleted User]


    They have absolute control over there life decisions though and again I will ask, in the 13 years how many of her children have been born?


    If you though the social media post was a righteous move for the good is society, would you like to buy the golden gate or London bridge? I'm absolutely the owner of both


    A garden is not a human right ffs!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    So we're not allowed to talk where our taxes go and how they also others to live comfortably without ever having to lift a finger ,

    But she chose to have multiple children with her partner who's likely undeclared to welfare and the council ,so he's likely looking for a separate forever home on another housing list ,bet they have decent cars and enjoy foreign holidays ,


    such a hard life living off handouts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    I remember being very young (late 80s, early 90s) and my mother & Father were offered a flat in Dolphins Barn. I remember getting off a bus to have a look and we got up to the complex and my mother, nope and just turned around and we went home. We were living with my granny and grandad then but my grandad died not too long after, so we stayed living there.

    I often think how different my life would have been if they decided to give the area a chance. Undoubtedly it would have went downhill quick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,835 ✭✭✭Allinall




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,211 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Bit late in the day Niner to be asking those sorts of questions really, it’s not as though children come with a receipt, whatever we may or may not think of any individuals decisions. I’m not particularly interested in zoning in on individuals who aren’t responsible for providing suitable standards of accommodation in a first world society.

    I’d sooner focus on the organisations or bodies who are actually responsible and must be held accountable for THEIR decisions which have led to circumstances where individuals choose to take it upon themselves to highlight incompetence and wastage of public funds. Are you satisfied that’s what your taxes are paying for? I’m not.

    I’m not suggesting a garden is a human right either, let’s not lose the run of ourselves. I think we’re all aware of what is meant by basic standards of accommodation and living standards, and what’s presented in the opening post falls far short of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,272 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Well that's the other side of it. Although people do need to take personal responsibility for their own life decisions and choices.


    On an unrelated matter, why do people pay so much for these jackets? https://www.adverts.ie/other-coats-jackets/canada-goose/22434187 . If you take a look through the messages at the bottom you even see where people offered to throw out 650 cash for a secondhand jacket.

    What would be your most expensive everyday item of clothing that you might buy there yourself?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,272 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    My rough understanding is that while someone is on a housing list like that they can get rent supplement and live wherever they choose.

    When they are offered council places to live, they can only turn down a certain amount of options before they lose their rent supplement, and/or maybe go to the back of the queue as well.

    Someone else might correct me or clarify details. That is my very rough understanding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    never been offered a heavily subsisted house in my life , then again i worked all my life and dont have kids i cant afford


    live with in you means , or dont


    other wise your a parasite on the rest of us



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,211 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Speak for yourself there horse, I’d never refer to another human being as a parasite, and I don’t know too many other people who would either, regardless of their circumstances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,586 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Except Erica Fleming used it on the Ray D'Arcy show and late late show.


    Hard luck bud.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,346 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    For starters, none of us has seen the actual property, only the surrounding area, so we don't know the suitability.

    It's worth noting that these individuals are exactly the problem in that the government shouldn't really have to be providing hundreds of millions in accomodation for people who decide to continually churn out kids while on a waiting list.



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