Dublin mother shares footage of offered council house

Well I'd say you know absolutely nothing about mine or the majority of people you refer too.

So you're statement is pretty much nonsense.

that's not what i asked.

would you give her a job if she indeed did actually want it. yes or no

bookerlover3:42 pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117738468#Comment_117738468

Maybe she should have consudered that while she was churning out sprogs.

Sick of spongers looking for free everything. The rest of us have to work pay rent or a mortgage. Whats so different about her?

maybe she did, and realised that it was never going to be possible for her, so, due to her income levels decided to apply for subsidized housing.

to be honest not as sick as i am of the same whinging by the same individuals every time this topic comes up, who have no actual viable solutions and some of who vote for the politicians and political parties which created this, instead of investing in resources to keep people in education rather then letting them leave school early or play truant etc, who refused to ultimately invest in social housing.

and you only have to pay a mortgage if you choose to buy a house, and choose to get the loan from the bank, you don't have to own a house.

I think having viewed the video it was enough to provide evidence that the accommodation was unsuitable for the family. It’s not as though any of us are in a position to suggest that the property is suitable when the person themselves says it’s not suitable for them and their circumstances, particularly after having been on a housing list for 13 years and then being fobbed off with sub-standard accommodation. The housing list was only ever intended to be a temporary measure, certainly not a long term measure, and certainly not 13 years!

Inefficient policies are the problem, not the individuals who are affected by those inefficiencies. It’s as though you imagine social services aren’t aware of their circumstances, or successive governments aren’t aware of their circumstances. They are, but they chose to ignore them and imagined that throwing more money at the issues would at least keep them quiet.

13 years later I imagine they’re only wishing they had the benefit of your hindsight when they should have been dealing properly with the issues then, and not having them accumulate to the point they’re at now.

how do you know she can look after them ?

how do you know what standards she has re childcare

do you have any actual information or are you just doing your usual bs social justice warrior stick

I know it’s a serious question, but I’m just thinking to myself “what finances, they’re dependent upon the State?”

Genuinely though, it’s often the case that most people in that position have different values and they aren’t the financial wizards in this thread who are giving fantastic financial advice, in hindsight.

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13 years and 4 kids is a long time to get your act together , i wonder did she ever contribute to society in any meaningful way ? or her partner (partners ? )

again social responsibility is a real thing for some and a joke to others

Four children in 13 years is a significant contribution to society for one person. Though of course whether or not that meets YOUR idea of a meaningful contribution to society is a different standard entirely.

Plenty of miserable shytes who have never actually contributed to society but only ever thought of themselves exist in society too, but I wouldn’t judge anyone too harshly on the basis that they themselves contribute fcukall to society, and their contribution to society measured in terms of their criticism of others really offers nothing of any value to society.

realistically not the case since payment or lack of payments to support children have no effect on numbers in the real world.

Time to put the kids in their school uniforms despite it being the holidays and sleep in the garda station.

Its worked before.

/sigh

People deserve a roof over their heads but when you don't do anything for it you shouldn't be picky.

Years ago, before the housing crisis, my sister who was a single mum was offered a council place with no proper floors, no radiators, loads of rubbish and cigarette butts etc on the bare concrete floors from the builders that had left it in that state.

She took it because she needed somewhere to live, called in favors or borrowed money to get the work done. Because it was still better than having no house and cheaper than buying one. And this wasn't in Dublin it was way down the country. Later on she went back to college and has since gotten a job abroad. Not being a bootstrapper here just saying her post smacks of entitlement.

To be brutally honest what really makes me have no sympathy for your wan is the way she wrote the Facebook post as one long sentence. Why should the rest of us bother learning anything when you're better off being a moronic baby factory who can't be arsed to even stick in the odd comma or full stop. If she even broke that post up into just 2 paragraphs I'd say, Och, gwan, give her a garden, like.

I wonder has she listened back to her own video. Hard to imagine having that grating, aggressive 'howya' tone of voice that generally accompanies a request for 2 euro for a hostel then being all shocked pikachu face when the council decide you belong in a slum.

With 4 kids, housing allowance and children's allowance would put her close to 36k a year. Not including medical cards and other supplements. So if she had to pay rent and childcare she'd need to earn north of 70k a year.

The list does go on, and we’re aware of the effects of a combination of factors in US society which has led them to the point they’re at now where the President is talking about spending Trillions of dollars on “building back better”. US society is an absolute basket case, and cherry picking the bits we like and pretending the bits we don’t like don’t exist, is ignoring reality. I detest the idea of the Welfare State for example, but in order to have a society in which people don’t need a welfare state, that requires a significant shift in social attitudes and Government policies. In reality it’s deemed far easier to continue to throw good money after bad, and increase taxes when the money is running short. It’s a short term solution but it keeps people quiet for the most part as most people will simply resign themselves to the fact that there’s very little they can actually do to change it, and more people are actually quite happy to maintain the status quo as long as they’re profiting from it, and make no mistake there are plenty of people profiting from the fact that in 2019 the number of people on national housing waiting lists was over 68,000 (old article, I don’t know the figure for 2021) -

That surely would indicate that contrary to your belief, we certainly don’t and can’t choose to create our own reality. It would be silly to suggest that you’re responsible for a reality where there are 18,000 people on housing waiting lists over 7 years. Is that a reflection of a universe you created? I don’t think so, I don’t think you think so either.

Your idea is entirely philosophical and is the basis for what’s commonly referred to as the myth of the American Dream. It’s idealism, an avoidance mechanism rather than having to deal with a reality where other people don’t share your idealism and running a tiny business won’t keep a roof over anyone’s head in today’s economic climate. What you’re talking about amounts to a hobby, not a viable business. I know it was just an example you were giving, but it’s just not grounded in reality which is that there are numerous factors beyond people’s control which influence the positions they’re in which limit the choices they make and mean that they are often just trying to make the best of a bad situation.

People make bad decisions based upon having limited access to opportunities and resources, that’s just a fact, and it can and does lead to circumstances culminating in a reality where some jobsworth either in the local council or advising the local council, thought it was appropriate or acceptable to offer substandard accommodation to a family in need of accommodation after being 13 years on the housing waiting list already, and the person being offered the accommodation would take it and say nothing and just accept it as that’s all they deserve.

Whoever signed off on that shìthole obviously didn’t envisage this woman going off the script and highlighting the fact that they’re being treated like shìte. That’s not entitlement, it’s the exact opposite of entitlement, it’s saying that what they’re being offered shouldn’t be acceptable to anyone, and they’re right. The council shouldn’t be permitted to get away with that sort of incompetence and treating people like shìte. Nobody deserves to be treated like that regardless of their circumstances or whatever decisions they have or haven’t made or regardless of what anyone thinks in hindsight they should or shouldn’t have done differently.

It’s the council are responsible for providing accommodation, and that responsibility filters right UP, rather than down, to the successive Governments failed policies which are meant to govern Irish society, because it’s not just failures in housing or accommodation policies, it’s the complete failure to provide support and put in place measures in society that would mean there weren’t 68,000 people on housing waiting lists in this country.

The woman being referred to in the opening post is just one of those people, and I doubt either you or I or anyone else here has either the time or the resources to investigate and determine where 68,000 people went wrong in their lives or were incapable of seeing things as we see them, or creating their own reality or their universe being a reflection of their own consciousness or any of the rest of it. You didn’t create the current reality, and I know I sure as hell didn’t create the current reality, but I do know how difficult it is to change one’s circumstances when one doesn’t have either the opportunities and the resources to do so. I still wouldn’t go near the national media to publicise the issue though because I know they’re not particularly interested in addressing the issues involved. Their only interest is in generating revenue, often by pricking the undercurrent of resentment of the underclasses that is festering in spiteful and bitter middle class Irish society.

She should try live in some of the places out there for college students !

And the pleasure of paying premium for these dumps

ah yeah but for most college kids it's a rite of passage onto a brighter future

should have seen the kips I rented in