Herd immunity is not going to happen

That's still not what that (quickly googled) article is saying. Right now Pfizer are not recommending third or booster shots because they don't have results from studies yet, they might in the future, but Israel is going against current guidance if it starts giving out booster shots from a population that still hasn't hit a 70% vaccinated rate.

It's funnier watching you flail about pretending to understand things at this stage than showing you recent posts that you'll also probably fail to understand.

"...became more or less useless after six month..."

Thats not what its says at all.

Yeah, mods should really crack down on this nonsense. That poster is continuously spreading misinformation. He/She is not the first and not the only one but it’s getting silly now. Feel sorry for the more versed in these matters than I that try to explain in a rational manner. I wouldn’t have the patience.

Hardly a website without an agenda is it.

No, that number is not necessarily accurate at all.

To get a better idea of likelihood of catching it while vaxxed or non-vaxxed the groups would have to be in the exact same environment under the same 'test conditions!

You might say the vaxxed are out and about more and indoor dining etc. so they are exposed more than the non vaxxed which would mean the true number could be even higher for catching it if non vaxxed, but I know lots of people who are double vaxxed who are still keeping their distance from everyone and not socialising or going to the shops etc, while I know lots of non vaxxed who are mixing with lots of different groups and taking no precautions!

So it could be the case that it is the behaviour of the 2 groups that is skewing those figures!

Along with socialising and mixing I know a few non vaxxed who have stopped wearing masks recently and who have stopped using hand sanitiser. There's many who are also seeking out the non discriminatory businesses who don't require mask wearing, barbers etc, and specifically going to those places, which are possibly much higher risk than the other ones in the area!

I'm not vaccinated, but my contacts are still to a minimum, I wear a mask and I use hand sanitiser....my chances of catching covid are a lot less than the non-vaxxed who are partying and not wearing masks, sanitising their hands and so on, so it's not simply about whether people are vaccinated or not!

Totally agree. Let those not wanting the vaccine make their own decisions. Also, let them be prohibited from workplaces, bars, restaurants, cinemas, schools, public transport, non-essential retail and indoor socialising.

If too many people decline to get vaccinated, the virus continues to circulate in society. If the virus continues to circulate, the majority of people who are vaccinated will not catch it and those who do will have very low risk of illness. However, there are a lot of people who (mainly through age or illness) will not have enough immunity, vaccinated or not, and these people remain at risk of serious illness. The only way to protect them is to keep the numbers declining the vaccine very low (which seems to be working) or keep the unvaccinated people away from everyone else.

No one should be forced to get the vaccine. But equally you should not be allowed to insist on being part of society when it suits and demand your individual freedoms when it doesn't.

(yes, I know the virus is going to continue to circulate anyway)

The vulnerable people are vulnerable right now and yet it seems to be ok for them to be at risk at the moment? Vaccinated people are allowed to mix even though we're still officially in a pandemic, they haven't got the required numbers for herd immunity.. and the vaccinated can still spread it.

The government also had to tell vaccinated people who were showing symptoms to 'STAY AT HOME' because some of them seemed to have forgotten the rule of the last 18 months and went out socialising even though they had covid symptoms and passed it on.

Also people are vulnerable to flu, and no one ever seemed to care about that, or anything else that could be spread to vulnerable people. You're saying the unvaccinated should be excluded from society basically. So what about the vaxxed? what if they have flu or norovirus or anything else? should it be a crime for them to leave the house in this new society or is that kind of thing ok?

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It is at manageable levels now, at least in Ireland.

Aside from some edge cases, the vulnerable are vaccinated. I said months ago that when we reached this point in the vaccination programme we should reopen fully. I am disappointed that we have not achieved herd immunity through vaccination, but I will not allow my goalposts to be moved by that.

If we're not going to crush Covid in mid summer with a freshly vaccinated population, I'm not holding my breath for that happening this winter, or even next summer.

If we can't draw a line in the sand then we're essentially admitting that our relationship with infectious disease had fundamentally changed, and that we're no longer going to accept any level of preventable death from it.

SARS-Cov-2 is not Ebola. It was reasonable to deal with it cautiously when our hospitals were being overrun. We must now find an accommodation with it, and try to return to normal. Those who have an extreme dislike of being sick, myself included, can opt in to precautions and moderate our lifestyle to suit. I did that years ago, eschewing packed public transport for the joys of a bicycle. I will continue to make those type of choices.

Thats not what it says. Whats the difference between 16% and the 39% in your chart.

I'll say your because you keep posting them with out a link to the source article.