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Let's solve the Public Toilet crisis.

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  • 12-08-2021 4:29am
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    Registered Users Posts: 17


    Part of the problem is drainage, a solution to that could be a mobile drainage vehicle or just dig up the City again and add drainage. I can't see how difficult that would be, sure aren't they always doing some work in the City, so it wouldn't be any new hindrance and it always seems like it's done when they have a project finished, example new Grand Parade layout now robot tress new Patrick Street lay out now a failed pedestrian zone. New Parnell Place layout, some what of a success.

    Feel free to add your Public Toilet solutions here. How much would you pay.

    Maybe a Leap card solution with a minimum top up, top up by €10 get four uses and maybe a point system for next top up like a loyalty card. Just my views.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,318 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    I would have to be affordable (.50c or €1. €2 absolute Max), attended by an actual person to stop messing, not access by technology as these things have a knack of breaking down.

    I think they are better pay toilets as people have (slightly) more respect for something that isn't 100% free.

    Also time to grow up and provide injection centres so toilets won't be used as injection sites.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17 A1Cork


    They say you get what you pay for, so I would be in favour of a higher price and a loyality system, as for injection centres that's a whole different area, that can be commented on and discussed, but now for now it's about public toilets.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,292 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    A loyalty system for a jacks is a bit much I think. It's turning bodily motions into a commodity.

    Overall though the public toilet situation certainly needs to be looked at.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17 A1Cork


    I was in West Cork when the pubs were allowed to open no toilets any where, I asked the nearest and only pub could I use the Jax. They said it's for customers only. So I had to buy a glass of the cheapest drink which was a shandy and that cost me €4 When I mention the loyality system I mean you should get a system in place that rewards when using what ever system is there. One thing is for sure if they are free they might as well go on the scrap heap.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3 natural_immunity


    Maybe they should install toilets inside the new "robo-trees", perhaps for another 350.000€ these monuments to science could be fitted with a second filtration system, a sort of fecal colander to extract the H2O (water for the chemically illiterate) from the passers-by's 'depositions' and expel it into the atmosphere, getting some much needed moisture back into the air. Tbh I do find that the air at Grand Parade tends to dry up my nasal membranes more than any other area in Cork city.

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  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Having to register to use a toilet (like a leap card mentioned above) is a bit silly.


    If you must charge, then it should be a pittance (max 50c - these are supposed to be a fairly basic service supplied by the council, not there to be profited from). Make sure they accept card payments. Stick advertising space on them to cover the cost of regular maintenance.


    Even at 50c, expect them to smell of piss after a saturday night when 1 person pays and leaves the door slightly ajar, so everyone can then use it for free anyway, or the people that piss up against it when it's closed and they don't want to pay).



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭notAMember


    First of all, it’s not a crisis.

    I know people get a bit emotes about peeing , but come on.


    Whats wrong with using an existing establishment? Library, cafe , pub, gallery, opera house etc. Even some big shops (Debenhams? ) have loos. I know well the short notice of a toddler needing to go , but I have never been caught short in town.

    What are you doing for hours in the city not going to anything at all? just walking the streets? It’s a commercial center.

    if it’s after pub closing time, then that’s another matter, I think the weird British hangover of pub closing times is archaic and needs to go.


    and the “shandy “ ? You can get a cup of tea in a pub, usually 2 euro, or a glass of tap water, or cordial.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,292 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Debenhams has been closed for over a year in town at this stage?!

    Cafes and pubs are for customer use only so it's again commercialising toilet use. BTs and Merchants quay are one of the few you can use just walking in off the street but are private operations ultimately.

    Public facilities are non existent. Toilets are a pretty basic human requirement and non provision of basic public facilities shouldn't be acceptable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17 A1Cork


    Good point but we still have TV license dog license etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17 A1Cork


    Enjoyed your post yet we are all looking for solutions.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭notAMember




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭notAMember


    There’s also a pandemic, no shops have been open. Rumour has it it will reopen as House of Fraser anyway, closure is temporary.


    I gave a list of what, 10 free ways to use a loo in the city.

    The city is a commercial center. You either work there (have access to toilet), live there (have access to toilet) , or have some business there, using shops cafes library etc (have access to toilet)


    What else are you doing in town? Lying on the street staring at the sky? Go home.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,318 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Ever hear of a thing called tourism? People coming into town to use an air coach at all hours say?

    Business owners dont really appreciate people coming in using their jacks when they don't want a meal or a drink.

    Not everyone has a well functioning digestion system or bladder either that they can keep it in and go all the way back to the place they're staying. Bit of a "I'm alright Jack" off of you, I don't really need it so screw everyone else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭notAMember


    Yes, good example. tourists use galleries (toilet), visit museums (toilet) , go to the cafes (toilet), and have lunch (toilet).

    Incontinance I am familiar with, people are able to plan and use medical aids.

    I don’t know, is it lack of confidence? London has very few public toilets either. I’ve never seen one. Are people not confident enough to walk into a library , shop or gallery?

    A snack like a flapjack or piece of fruit in a cafe will cost you 1 euro, that’s hardly crazy money to become a customer and use the loo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,241 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Definitely is a crisis.

    It's another public facility that's been de facto forced on to private sector.

    The lockdown made this clearly apparent. With private sector shutdown there were no toilets anywhere. Not in parks, beaches, nowhere.

    Problem all over Ireland and UK.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,292 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    If you need to resort to aggression to try to get a point across, it's pretty sad for you. Fraser's aren't going into Debenhams in town that I have seen so that "temporary" closure is now going on 18 months. You have an interesting definition of temporary. Perhaps you're a bit confused with Mahon Point.

    I see you've also come out with the classic: "you have no business in town unless you have "business" there". Who are you to say why people should or should not be in the city? Fierce smack of "I'm alright Jack so screw everyone else" off your posts.

    As someone who has IBD I can tell you the utter lack of public toilets is a major issue, not just in Cork, but all over the country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    It's always been a penny pinching affair.

    Most places once you ask or acknowledge you need to visit the shrine won't turn you away. From my experience establishments don't like people darting to the back of house whilst averting eye contact, for obvious reasons.

    A stop gap solution before you start talking about digging up the city center or producing mobile toilets would be to get one/some establishment/s to take part in few varying trial solutions. Talk to establishements, ask questions and listen, get the feelers out. Something has to be given to the establishements in return.

    Maybe donations from toilet goers could be pooled into a wage for a mobile cleaner, eventually may even cover toillet roll expenditure or fresh flowers/air filters.

    Point being think outside the box with what already exists and start small.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭notAMember


    There wasn’t a whisper of aggression there.


    I think it might be a complete fear of interaction with other humans here though based on your terror response to my post, rather than a lack of loos. A 10 second conversation at worst ( where’s the toilet please) and you are in one. People aren’t so scary. Is that what’s driving a desire for robo-toilets?


    Pandemic driven social anxiety was expected for some, we’ve been isolated for ages.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭notAMember


    Libraries, Museums , public transportation and Galleries are all public facilities. All with toilets.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,241 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997



    These things aren't everywhere and they aren't all open. Some are ticket only admittance.



    I like the way you quoted the post but didn't read it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭notAMember


    They are in the city center, which is where we are talking about. They are all open, and all of them without payment.


    You’ll have to give a bit more detail there on the second comment for me to respond, otherwise it’s just being snotty and insulting for the sake of it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,318 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Oh wow a grand total of ONE gallery and two museums, the museums being a fair old walk from the city centre, I wouldn't want to be badly stuck. Otherwise I've to buy food I dont want.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭notAMember


    There are loads of museums and galleries , I assume you're being facetious so I won't list them for you.

    Is there really that much of a difference between buying a 1 euro bar of chocolate and paying 3 euro for a robo-toilet?



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,241 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    My comment that you quoted said "...not in parks, beaches...."

    The other poster said they had IBD from that you infer "Pandemic driven social anxiety"



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,292 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Thanks for confirming you don't bother reading posts you are replying to. "Panic driven social anxiety" 😂🤣 What a load of utter bollocks you are posting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,241 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    There used to be lot more public toliets around, but they didn't maintain them well, or police them, so they got rid of them. I'm guessing the early 90s.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭notAMember


    Ok, I know boards has changed the quoting, so it's easy to lose track of the topic at hand, but what beaches are in the city center? That's the thread we are on.

    Even mentioning beaches (still none in the city tho), I know of beaches with toilets. Warren Strand, Garrestown etc.


    And maybe again it's the new weird format, but I asked why the poster can't ask to use a toilet. I have family and friends with IBD, they are well able to ask to use one when they need. When I was in the city with toddlers being potty trained, it never took me long So I don't get why IBD would stop anyone from speaking. Unless, it's social anxiety overlaid on top, some kind of issue with strangers, which is a real thing. Either pre-existing, or pandemic created.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭notAMember


    What do you think is a load of bollocks exactly?

    That social anxiety doesn't exist?

    That the pandemic doesn't exist?

    Glad you think those are hilarious.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,241 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The problem isn't limited to the city center. It's a national problem.

    Dismissing it as phobia when there are more obvious and immediate issues. Is disingenuous..



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,038 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Who would have thought that a discussion about public toilets would bring out such unpleasantness?



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