Battlefield 2042

I never got a queue, just a few 501 errors before I manged to get in.

Times are 5-8am PDT so 1-4pm for us.

Terrible times for those on the west coast in the US.

Actually not sure about those times, from how it shows it later on it might be 5am - 2pm PDT so 1pm to 10pm for us.

NDA out the window then! 👾

Well, there's an irony of saying "garbage post", claiming I'm somehow denying sexism exists but then you go on to state you know what Battlefield players think of women? As in, the countless millions strong playerbase, you know what they, as a collective hive-mind, think of women?

It's a nonsensical statement. Literally every single game ever made has a minority toxic element. The bigger the game, the more notice these toxic elements get, but they remain a minority. Anyone who claims to speak on behalf of, or with an understanding of, an entire fanbase is deluded.

"It has nothing to do with authentic WW2 and you know it" is outright ridiculous. I'm literally telling you, as a long-time Battlefield player, the initial negative reception to the launch trailer had everything to do with that for me. There are many others felt the same. The majority, in fact.

Just because you personally don't care about historical accuracy doesn't give you the right to say those who do are sexist. I prefer games like Hell Let Loose and Enlisted to BFV, because mostly I crave a more historically accurate WW2 experience....and using mild language, some random person on the internet attempting to tell me it's because I'm a closet sexist or don't want women in games can get lost.

"You can get over the fact that vagina people are in your shooting games". Another nonsensical argument deliberately trying to derail the discussion and make it into something it's not. We're talking about the context of it being a WW2 shooter here, while you disingenuously try to twist it into a broader sexism issue in gaming.

There are no end of women in shooter games I play. Most of the characters I play in various games, specifically hero shooters, are actually women, not that it ever really occurred to me or I gave it much thought because I couldn't care less.

It's not about women. It's about a historical experience. Some people couldn't care less, some people do care - both are equally valid and everyone's free to purchase or not purchase, play or not play, like or dislike based on creative choices made that clash with a historical experience.

I mean, your post implies that if people can't "suspend my disbelief" then they have a broader issue with women in games. Are you actually so out of touch with reality that you believe that wanting historical accuracy equates to that, regardless of the medium of entertainment?

Are Enlisted and Hell Let Loose sexist games for not having females? Are the developers sexist? Are people sexist for preferring them to other WW2 games that do have women? What about American Civil War games, would someone be a racist because they disliked Robert E. Lee being black? Or if the Confederate side was made up of women and men of asian and black heritage?

Your argument that wanting historical accuracy is sexist and somehow incompatible with the notion of entertainment existing to entertain is utterly absurd. People are perfectly entitled to want historical accuracy, other players are entitled to not care, developers are perfectly entitled to make any game however they see fit.

"If you don't want women in a WW2 shooter that's up to you but it doesn't bother me and I enjoy it" - completely valid opinion and I'm fine with that. That loads of people including Battlefield and COD fans hold.

However your opinion is not that or even close, it's a nonsensical "if you don't want women in a game you're sexist" that pretends context is an inadmissible concept and ironically it's ultimately an extremely intolerant view.

You managed to deliberately twist and misrepresent everything I said and you're inventing most of your argument.

My whole point was that it's OK to not be OK with decisions taken by developers that compromise on historical accuracy, and that it's a valid opinion without being screeched at by people like yourself that you hate women.

The astounding ignorance of yourself to attempt to literally explain to me, that it's actually my rampant bigotry and hatred of women and refusal to see them as equals apparently, that's at play here simply for having a preference for historical accuracy.

It couldn't be that I am a huge WW2 history buff, have studied the subject avidly since I was a child, have made documentaries on many topics, have a library of about 1,000 books on the subject, and unsurprisingly as a result tend to play a ton of WW2 themed games.

That couldn't possibly be the reason I'm not thrilled about the direction BFV took and the reason I prefer games like Hell Let Loose and Enlisted that are visually authentic even though I still bought and played BFV for several hundred hours and at no point did I "terrorise" the developers in any way.

And apparently I'm utterly pretentious to suggest it was ever about historical accuracy?

The actual nerve of you to suggest that people who prefer historical accuracy "want to live a fantasy where women were second class citizens" and they can apparently induldge in their bigotry fantasies - and dismiss historical accuracy as a completely invalid reasoning.

Just because you personally don't care about historical accuracy doesn't mean other people don't. If that were the case games like Enlisted and Hell Let Loose, as well as tons of other genre games, wouldn't even exist. I guess you think those developers are all a bunch of woman-hating bigots on the wrong side of history as well.

tbh, surely all claims about 'historical accuracy' go out the window when you can destroy a tank with a few sneaky slaps of a hammer?

Removing women from the equation. The first trailer was absurd. They were experimenting with a "reimagined" more "zany" World War 2 and it looked ridiculous (to me personally) with the metal arms, katana's and all that stuff. Judging by the community reaction it obviously wasn't a popular theme and approach.

Putting women in it front and centre triggered the mysogynists and obviously annoyed the authenticity types. That only added fuel to the fire. After I watched that trailer I immediately thought; well that looks stupid, and there's going to be an internet shitstorm after this, didn't take a genius to figure it out. The game that followed wasn't half bad (in my opinion) but the damage was already done.