Battlefield 2042

dreamers75 · 03-08-2021 10:14PM

In the Q a while now.

Varik · 03-08-2021 10:43PM

I never got a queue, just a few 501 errors before I manged to get in.

Times are 5-8am PDT so 1-4pm for us.

Terrible times for those on the west coast in the US.

Actually not sure about those times, from how it shows it later on it might be 5am - 2pm PDT so 1pm to 10pm for us.

Riesen_Meal · 04-08-2021 12:33AM

I may have gotten an email about it... 🙂

The times are fairly crap alright for us in Ireland...

Shlippery · 04-08-2021 09:53AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117702316#Comment_117702316

NDA out the window then! 👾

Varik · 04-08-2021 12:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117703438#Comment_117703438

Image and the rest is from their EA answers page.

Spear · 04-08-2021 03:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117703438#Comment_117703438

There's news articles on major sites announcing the playtest and emails, so I'm not seeing any NDA violation here.

Shlippery · 04-08-2021 05:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117705361#Comment_117705361

Ah it's fine, only codding, it's no secret at this point with the amount of people invited to it and leakers etc. Only pointing out how specific the wording of the mails were!

Semantics aside, looking forward to seeing things moving, they're really going balls to the wall with this one. Short films, lore, portal. Trying to brush the sins of the past away. Hopefully it'll be Battlefields year!

dreamers75 · 08-08-2021 01:38AM

100% 1st thing I am doing in the test is running into the 1st cyclone I see.

dreamers75 · 12-08-2021 12:56AM

18gb download.

Spear · 12-08-2021 05:14PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJVCfhLEYdo

The Exodus lore movie is out.

dreamers75 · 12-08-2021 05:48PM

So Recker is Oz " we were a team" and Pac gets dead.

I heard Orbital is the map in the tech test and that there are now Zones with sub flags and altho a technical test it eventually ran well (textures etc all over the place). If US win the rocket launchers if No Pats it blows up.

But lagwise I believe the cross play worked I heard you couldnt tell who killed you as in if they were human or AI or what PC/Console and the kill feed now omits either the killer or the killeds name and only the weapon Killer/Killed pops up. The guns system feels tacky I heard none of them feel like a gun and with on the fly accessories they all felt meh but that wasnt the point of the test so the person who told me this isnt bothered.

Only a few specialists available and tbh they are just different skins with an optional item in the loadout.

Gunplay sits between BF1 and BFV, players can move extremely quickly and the slide from BF1 is back.

Again I heard all this from posts on reddit and discord and other people.

The Phantom Pain · 12-08-2021 07:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117699529#Comment_117699529

Garbage post. Denying that sexism exists within the Battlefield community does not make it true. I've played with Battlefield players online so I know what they think of women. It has nothing to with an "authentic WW2" and you know it. If you can suspend your belief for other video game quirks you can get over the fact that vagina people are in your shooting games. As for the black female nazis, look at this way: just play on the other side and you get the fantasy of being able to kill them. Problem solved.

Anyway, I had to resist hating Irish as he was such a stereotype but kind of glad he's back and there is that canon consistency. Reminds me of COD in that regard with Captain Price. Hope Hannah is back too.

I will still buy this game despite my disappointment with it being cross gen. EA hid that fact for a long time. I very doubt it's going to be revolutionary.

dreamers75 · 12-08-2021 09:37PM

"Anyway, I had to resist hating Irish as he was such a stereotype but kind of glad he's back and there is that canon consistency. Reminds me of COD in that regard with Captain Price. Hope Hannah is back too."

Does this not imply she went down the rope and ummm well yah know.

/Quote only quotes all the message and I wasnt bothering to reply to the Op.

Also the story thats running on the daily blogs actually has a point, the ship seems to be hub of sorts. Cant actually do anything in the test so I was told from another person but its implied you join games from there and helicopter takes you in, if you read the daily blogs it makes sense tbh.

The Phantom Pain · 13-08-2021 11:23AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117744808#Comment_117744808

In one of the endings if you choose neither the ship will blow and they'll both be saved.

Dohnjoe · 13-08-2021 11:53AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117744283#Comment_117744283

I see both sides of the argument. Each game or franchise has a spectrum of authenticity, if they mess with that too much, it can create friction. Just because it's a video game doesn't mean "anything" can be thrown in, e.g. a machine gun in God of War wouldn't go down well.

Ignoring the misogynists and sexist twats, I can see why many in BF community reacted the way they did to the initial BFV trailer and style. That was their thematic choice, but it didn't go down well and as such we haven't seen it replicated in many other games.

Homelander · 13-08-2021 12:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117744283#Comment_117744283

Well, there's an irony of saying "garbage post", claiming I'm somehow denying sexism exists but then you go on to state you know what Battlefield players think of women? As in, the countless millions strong playerbase, you know what they, as a collective hive-mind, think of women?

It's a nonsensical statement. Literally every single game ever made has a minority toxic element. The bigger the game, the more notice these toxic elements get, but they remain a minority. Anyone who claims to speak on behalf of, or with an understanding of, an entire fanbase is deluded.

"It has nothing to do with authentic WW2 and you know it" is outright ridiculous. I'm literally telling you, as a long-time Battlefield player, the initial negative reception to the launch trailer had everything to do with that for me. There are many others felt the same. The majority, in fact.

Just because you personally don't care about historical accuracy doesn't give you the right to say those who do are sexist. I prefer games like Hell Let Loose and Enlisted to BFV, because mostly I crave a more historically accurate WW2 experience....and using mild language, some random person on the internet attempting to tell me it's because I'm a closet sexist or don't want women in games can get lost.

"You can get over the fact that vagina people are in your shooting games". Another nonsensical argument deliberately trying to derail the discussion and make it into something it's not. We're talking about the context of it being a WW2 shooter here, while you disingenuously try to twist it into a broader sexism issue in gaming.

There are no end of women in shooter games I play. Most of the characters I play in various games, specifically hero shooters, are actually women, not that it ever really occurred to me or I gave it much thought because I couldn't care less.

It's not about women. It's about a historical experience. Some people couldn't care less, some people do care - both are equally valid and everyone's free to purchase or not purchase, play or not play, like or dislike based on creative choices made that clash with a historical experience.

I mean, your post implies that if people can't "suspend my disbelief" then they have a broader issue with women in games. Are you actually so out of touch with reality that you believe that wanting historical accuracy equates to that, regardless of the medium of entertainment?

Are Enlisted and Hell Let Loose sexist games for not having females? Are the developers sexist? Are people sexist for preferring them to other WW2 games that do have women? What about American Civil War games, would someone be a racist because they disliked Robert E. Lee being black? Or if the Confederate side was made up of women and men of asian and black heritage?

Your argument that wanting historical accuracy is sexist and somehow incompatible with the notion of entertainment existing to entertain is utterly absurd. People are perfectly entitled to want historical accuracy, other players are entitled to not care, developers are perfectly entitled to make any game however they see fit.

"If you don't want women in a WW2 shooter that's up to you but it doesn't bother me and I enjoy it" - completely valid opinion and I'm fine with that. That loads of people including Battlefield and COD fans hold.

However your opinion is not that or even close, it's a nonsensical "if you don't want women in a game you're sexist" that pretends context is an inadmissible concept and ironically it's ultimately an extremely intolerant view.

The Phantom Pain · 13-08-2021 01:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117746965#Comment_117746965

What you're referring to is a game world's internal logic which has nothing to do with real life/history. There is nothing in the Battlefield games, specifically, that says women can't exist on the frontlines.

Dohnjoe · 13-08-2021 01:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117747360#Comment_117747360

And there's nothing that says e.g. Transgender Asian people with e.g. Down Syndome in e.g. wheelchairs can't exist in the game either, but we all know what the reaction would be. There will be women in every BF game from now on, future or historical, and I doubt it will be a major issue because they since seem to have learned a lesson regarding their fanbase and presentation. It sends a far more powerful message to include women without making a fanfare circus about it. Just my opinion, back to 2042.

The Phantom Pain · 13-08-2021 02:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117747167#Comment_117747167

Wow, so many words and literally nothing of value said with laughable clichés to boot (I'm not sexist - I occasionally play games with women in them!) I cannot fathom the weak mental mindset it would take to get upset at seeing a fictional, nameless character of a different gender or race in a video game. If a black woman in a COD multiplayer context where the story at the point doesn’t even matter (there are obviously no black female Nazis in the campaign which is story driven) is enough to ruin the experience for you the problem is you, not the game. Especially COD which is about as whacky as it gets, and has always been.

You say developers are entitled to make the games they want and then proceed to whinge when they decide to do what they want by including women lol. So what you really mean is that developers are entitled to make the game you want. Also, don’t project on to me. This is not about me wanting women in Battlefield; this is about you NOT wanting women in Battlefield. I don't give a toss about whether women are in Battlefield or not lol. I've played Battlefield before women were put in and I'll continue to play long after (despite the likes of you) when they’re not. If a game does not include women I do not care as I am strongly against forcing artists to include women and minorities for the sake of it since it just leads to tokenism. What I take issue with is misogynists like you ruining the experience for others when women are included, and terrorising developers into not making the games they want to make as a result. You're just as bad as those who constantly demand diversity and inclusion, if not worse because at least those people are coming from a good place however misguided I believe them to be. There’s no "twist" or "derail" - you brought up the issue of women in Battlefield in a thread that is about 2042. If anyone is derailing the thread it's you. You’re accusing me of “derailing” as a cop-out because I disagree with your take on it.

"It's not about women. It's about a historical experience." 🤣 Utterly pretentious. FPS video games like Battlefield are supposed to be fun. The historical setting is just a backdrop and an excuse for gameplay mechanics. Sexism is not (supposed to be) part of that fun so what you’re really saying is you want to live in the fantasy of being in a time where women were acceptably treated as second class citizens. That’s what constitutes fun for you and mean old Dice is not letting you do that. History will not be lost if a video game deviates from it. If you want real WW history go and watch a documentary or read a non fiction book. Oh. And I've seen many fans complain about the one woman that was in the new trailer. You can easily locate this on any Facebook page so again “historical accuracy” is BS.

You're right: I am generally “intolerant” of misogynists, racists and other bigots. Yeah? I don’t negotiate with terrorists and I’m not sure when it became the norm to do so. The fact that I’m even discussing this with you is doing you a service you don’t deserve because in real life you’d get a “piss off” and that would be it. For someone soooo concerned about history you're also really dedicated to being on the wrong side of it. Women don't need your permission to exist and it's like that EA guy said: if you don't like, don't buy it.

The Phantom Pain · 13-08-2021 03:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117747412#Comment_117747412

I don't care what the reaction will be...

Dice never made a "circus" out of women being in Battlefield V. The fans did and as a result they've buried the one woman who is in the trailer to appease them. The only message it sends is that devs can be easily spooked into doing whatever the toxic fans want and there's nothing remotely powerful about that.

Homelander · 13-08-2021 03:50PM

You managed to deliberately twist and misrepresent everything I said and you're inventing most of your argument.

My whole point was that it's OK to not be OK with decisions taken by developers that compromise on historical accuracy, and that it's a valid opinion without being screeched at by people like yourself that you hate women.

The astounding ignorance of yourself to attempt to literally explain to me, that it's actually my rampant bigotry and hatred of women and refusal to see them as equals apparently, that's at play here simply for having a preference for historical accuracy.

It couldn't be that I am a huge WW2 history buff, have studied the subject avidly since I was a child, have made documentaries on many topics, have a library of about 1,000 books on the subject, and unsurprisingly as a result tend to play a ton of WW2 themed games.

That couldn't possibly be the reason I'm not thrilled about the direction BFV took and the reason I prefer games like Hell Let Loose and Enlisted that are visually authentic even though I still bought and played BFV for several hundred hours and at no point did I "terrorise" the developers in any way.

And apparently I'm utterly pretentious to suggest it was ever about historical accuracy?

The actual nerve of you to suggest that people who prefer historical accuracy "want to live a fantasy where women were second class citizens" and they can apparently induldge in their bigotry fantasies - and dismiss historical accuracy as a completely invalid reasoning.

Just because you personally don't care about historical accuracy doesn't mean other people don't. If that were the case games like Enlisted and Hell Let Loose, as well as tons of other genre games, wouldn't even exist. I guess you think those developers are all a bunch of woman-hating bigots on the wrong side of history as well.

Dohnjoe · 13-08-2021 03:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117748092#Comment_117748092

Don't agree. Most of the friends I game with thought the initial trailer and theme were ridiculous. They don't "hate women". The overbearing theme was stupid.

Stone Deaf 4evr · 13-08-2021 04:03PM

tbh, surely all claims about 'historical accuracy' go out the window when you can destroy a tank with a few sneaky slaps of a hammer?

The Phantom Pain · 13-08-2021 04:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117748314#Comment_117748314

You've spoken about "themes" and "circuses" and yet you have not made any attempt whatsoever to state how any of those Battlefield V trailers were a circus or overbearing in terms of how they included women, nor have you actually stated what the "themes" were.

Homelander · 13-08-2021 04:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117748343#Comment_117748343

Not really. That's gameplay mechanics versus historical accuracy. I mean something like Verdun is a tremendously good visually authentic WW1 game and BF1 isn't too bad either but obviously neither are remotely historically accurate from a gameplay point of view for obvious reason.

A game where you spend 80% of your time huddled in a rat infested trench before slowly walking 1km across no mans land into withering machine gun fire wouldn't be much fun.

When people talk about historical accuracy they mean general portrayal of a given era and the internal world created, it's very little to do with the gameplay mechanics themselves as long as they're not outrageously out there.

BFV has stellar core gameplay but it doesn't feel like a WW2 game for a myriad of design reasons, the pacific campaign DLC was superb and felt way better, but for me BFV just doesn't feel like an immersive WW2 game, just a fun arcade shooter.

It's why I now play Enlisted mostly, occasionally I'll dip back in BFV.

The Phantom Pain · 13-08-2021 05:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117748289#Comment_117748289

I haven't twisted or "misrepresented" anything. Go back and read your own posts out loud and see how ridiculous you sound. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from judgment. You are entitled to tell me that I shouldn’t be included in a video game and that it ruins your fun to do so. I’m also entitled to tell you what I think of that opinion.

I love Battlefield V and Battlefield 1 specifically because of their historical setting (it’s why I found playing Battlefield 4 afterwards so jarring) but the historical factors that determine my enjoyment have to do with weapons, combat roles, the maps. You know, things that actually affect the gameplay. Not whether the character I’m playing as has a vag. Like I said if you want complete, unfiltered realism then it’s not particularly sensible to try and find that in a video game.

I’m not criticising you for caring about historical accuracy because that would require you to actually care about historical accuracy. I’m outright saying that you don’t care about historical accuracy and that it’s a front for your issues with women in general. That’s hardly a stretch or unusual conclusion to draw based on the completely asinine statements you've made. If you cared about historical accuracy there are a thousand things you could get exercised about but women being in it seems to be the deal breaker. Maybe you should ask yourself why that is. Women are human beings, we’re not pawns to be placed and discarded when you feel like it so you can have your little world war 2 dream. Also,

“Let's not forget the initial trailer with the war-painted female cyborg”

Imagine referring to those with disabilities who use prophetics as “cyborgs” and then romantically reflecting on the “good old days of world war before black women.” The lack of self-awareness almost makes this feel like a parody account.

Dohnjoe · 13-08-2021 05:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117748353#Comment_117748353

Removing women from the equation. The first trailer was absurd. They were experimenting with a "reimagined" more "zany" World War 2 and it looked ridiculous (to me personally) with the metal arms, katana's and all that stuff. Judging by the community reaction it obviously wasn't a popular theme and approach.

Putting women in it front and centre triggered the mysogynists and obviously annoyed the authenticity types. That only added fuel to the fire. After I watched that trailer I immediately thought; well that looks stupid, and there's going to be an internet shitstorm after this, didn't take a genius to figure it out. The game that followed wasn't half bad (in my opinion) but the damage was already done.

Spear · 13-08-2021 05:34PM

And again, this isn't the BFV thread, this is the BF2042 thread. So back on topic.

If you really want to rehash this old topic, I'll move the BFV posts out to a new thread.

Spear · 13-08-2021 06:33PM

That's two off-topic posts deleted. Next attempt gets a warning.

dreamers75 · 13-08-2021 10:36PM

ehh anyone on the test can join at any time regardless of the calendar, once you in you are in for all of them.

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And again, this isn't the BFV thread, this is the BF2042 thread. So back on topic.

If you really want to rehash this old topic, I'll move the BFV posts out to a new thread.