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Corruption in charities

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    #212
    Tar.Aldarion
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    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    So that's a no then, you/they haven't run the numbers of every Irish charity.

    Are you certain that no Irish charity, maybe SVP,can beat or match the 17% off the top costs for cash distribution, as seen with one of their recommended charities?

    I have run the numbers on no charity, I am not the professional charity evaluator, they are.
    That is also only one facet of many of being an effective charity.


    SVP are already behind with just a skim of their page but I'm sure Givewell will have evaluated one of the biggest charities already and could give a good answer if asked:
    Donations that are given locally are spent locally.


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    #213
    Bellbottoms
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    YFlyer wrote: »
    Bunny Carr.

    I have.no idea who Bunny Carr is. And I suspect I am not alone. Any chance of some context?

    Or some commentry on it?


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    #214
    dublin49
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    Bellbottoms wrote: »
    I have.no idea who Bunny Carr is. And I suspect I am not alone. Any chance of some context?

    Or some commentry on it?

    he fronted a popular quiz show back in late 60s early 70s and also set up Carr communiciations that provided training for people in the media including politicans,he fronted a charity drive and his voice over on the appeal was was along the the lines of "send your money to me Bunny Carr c/o xxxx Charity " on foot of that there were allegations that maybe people took him literally and sent their donations directly to him.I think it all stemmed from the catchphrase ,send your money to me....


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    #215
    AndrewJRenko
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    Bellbottoms wrote: »
    I have.no idea who Bunny Carr is. And I suspect I am not alone. Any chance of some context?

    Or some commentry on it?

    Addressed in the article I linked above

    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/mr-charm-school-1.85444?mode=amp


    He's spreading lies and innuendo about a dead man.


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    #216
    Viscount Aggro
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    I would deal with charities the Michael O'Leary way...

    Go in and cut everything by half. Replace all the senior executives, and board members
    with voluntary people. I know loads of retired people who would do this.
    I could do it, and I have street creds too.

    Everything else would get outsourced, maximise the funds going to the actual cause.


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    #217
    AndrewJRenko
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    Serious concerns emerging from the investigation at Bothar

    https://m.independent.ie/business/farming/news/farming-news/investigation-found-ex-bothar-ceo-paid-himself-8000-extra-in-2018-and-2019-40307173.html


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    #218
    AndrewJRenko
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    Viscount Aggro wrote: »
    I would deal with charities the Michael O'Leary way...

    Go in and cut everything by half. Replace all the senior executives, and board members
    with voluntary people. I know loads of retired people who would do this.
    I could do it, and I have street creds too.

    Everything else would get outsourced, maximise the funds going to the actual cause.

    All board members are volunteers. Who exactly are these senior executives waiting to take on stressful, demanding full time roles with significant personal exposure as volunteers?

    Outsourcing tends not to work well in homeless services, disability services.


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    #219
    corner of hells
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    Viscount Aggro wrote: »
    I would deal with charities the Michael O'Leary way...

    Go in and cut everything by half. Replace all the senior executives, and board members
    with voluntary people. I know loads of retired people who would do this.
    I could do it, and I have street creds too.

    Everything else would get outsourced, maximise the funds going to the actual cause.

    Outsource what exactly?


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    #220
    humberklog
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    Bellbottoms wrote: »
    I have.no idea who Bunny Carr is. And I suspect I am not alone. Any chance of some context?

    Or some commentry on it?


    Ah stop the lights!


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    #221
    dublin49
    Registered Users Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭dublin49


    humberklog wrote: »
    Ah stop the lights!

    old timer time for your horlicks


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    #222
    anewme
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    humberklog wrote: »
    Ah stop the lights!

    Not to mention Norman's musical clues.


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    #223
    Floppybits
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    The Former Bothar CEO has been found dead at his home. Tragic all round.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40269752.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


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    #224
    gmisk
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    Former Bóthar CEO seeks free legal aid for misappropriated funds court case https://jrnl.ie/5455590

    Absolutely zero shame


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    #225
    Topgear on Dave
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    Not many details but ICHH might be the next charity in a bit of bother.

    "In recent days, serious matters have come to the attention of the board. "

    https://ichh.ie/statement-by-the-board-of-inner-city-helping-homeless/



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    #226
    Rket4000
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    They've hired an independent senior counsel? Who's paying for that?



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    #227
    LollipopJimmy
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    Anthony Flynn has made his twitter private, must not want to deal with any questions and an event they had planned for tonight is cancelled.



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    #228
    Spanish Eyes
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    All this internal investigation and SC involvement has to stop. Damage limitation I suppose.

    First stop = Gardai, let them investigate any breach of the law, end of story.



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    #229
    Agis_IV
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    Saintly do gooders rarely do good, as true in Irish charities as it is in Irish politics. Help your neighbors and your community. Apollo House etc are effectively a grift. A 411 scam for gullible strivers who more concerned with social media karma than helping a person, family or community down on its luck.



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    #230
    lawred2
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/116872873#Comment_116872873

    ... Ooops misread



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    #231
    Big Gerry
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    There is no need for people running charities to be corrupt when they get massive 6 figure salaries.

    https://www.thesun.ie/news/6473057/charities-staff-value-study-ceo-salary/



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    #232
    Spanish Eyes
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117749257#Comment_117749257

    We don't know if the suspended employee was involved in fraud, it could be other things.



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    #233
    enricoh
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117748709#Comment_117748709

    The other 99 homeless charities will be able to pick up the slack- fear not!



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    #234
    Faugheen
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117749203#Comment_117749203

    They are



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    #235
    Topgear on Dave
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117749177#Comment_117749177

    Thats unusual. Him and David Hall are running it so I'd expect to hear from him soon enough.

    Flynn is normally fearless at calling out the bs of others and saying what needs to be done.



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    #236
    Topgear on Dave
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117749108#Comment_117749108

    Probably the charity. I suppose when you find yourself in a hole it's best to get good advice on how to get out.



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    #237
    Spanish Eyes
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117749396#Comment_117749396

    Good. I didn't see any reference to the Gardai in the initial reports, but you are right, the Gardai are involved.



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    #238
    Darc19
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117749108#Comment_117749108

    Most likely it will be free.


    Plenty of senior counsel will do pro bono work. - it's good for referrals / good pr.


    Whilst it's a high profile charity, income is fairly small and most work seems to be voluntary.

    I suspect David hall is seething over this as he would have very high standards.



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    #239
    dublin49
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    if you give money to strangers without strings and little or no validation on the basis they use it wisely don't be too surprised if their interpretation of that instruction is different from your own.



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    #240
    [Deleted User]
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    Corruption in charities is not always about the charity itself.

    Celebrities, such as Jimmy Saville, use charity as a means to boost their public relations profile. You end up with a system where people end up getting away with inappropriate activity because many in the celebrity sphere are too scared to challenge someone who is associated with so much charity.

    That, in itself, is a distorted version of corruption very much linked to charity.



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    #241
    AndrewJRenko
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117755098#Comment_117755098

    You're comparing different times rather than different sectors. Saville and others were back in the 80s and 90s. All charities involved with children work with painfully stringent rules about not being alone with children and garda vetting and more.



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