Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

Andrew Pollard, the vaccine lead at Oxford in developing the AZ vaccine, said last week that the transmission of the Delta variant is such that every unvaccinated person will “at some point meet the virus”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/10/delta-variant-renders-herd-immunity-from-covid-mythical

Yes, the Cleveland study is one of those mentioned in the report. Apologies, I forgot about paywall (I have a subscription but I think a certain number of articles are freely available each month if you want to try on a different browser).

HSE statistics are amateur statistics?

I don't recall mentioning the UK.

We were discussing myocarditis risk, you changed the topic to MIS-C when you couldn't win your arguement.

You directed me a study about MIS-C cases in the US. The study found 4404 cases of MIS-C following COVID. There are a reported 4,292,120 cases of COVID in US children. That is a 0.1% occurence. Is it not?

Do you know how many cases of MIS-C have occured in Ireland? HSE state it is 'extremely rare'. They quote no figures.

You are quick to dismiss serious adverse effects from vaccination as rare but are blinded by the fear of 'extremely rare' COVID side effects.

The discussion of MISC was in relation to the very serious risk of inflammatory conditions among others that children are at risk from . Without even being sick enough to be hospitalised . That was the point .

I repeat I never said it was anything but rare , but it is one of a few conditions , the others less rare, that can affect children after infection with Covid , more so than from vaccination.

You said children are more at risk from vaccination than these which I have merely pointed out is untrue .

You try to deflect with the statements about hospitalised children in lower numbers than given by HSE because you reckon they are not healthy children ? Some have mild underlying conditions like asthma , it does not mean they can be discounted .

I posted research from the States by the Medical Research section of a renowned University, which as it is recent is not of course peer reviewed yet , but has used vast electronic data from all over the USA , admission and health records ...and yet you choose to only read the first paragraph .

My point stands...Myocarditis is more of a risk to young males between the ages of 12 to 17 from Covid infection mild or otherwise , than from the mRNA vaccines . About 10 times more of a risk . I don't think that is an insignificant risk .

Typo , it was US not UK , corrected .

But it was YOUR statistics that I clearly referred to as I think you know

Where did you get 17 HEALTHY children only hospitalised from your own amateur statistics ?

I remember a previous poster coming out with the same ludicrous statement , do you know him by chance ?

I would also like to point out that any case of MIS-C would require hospitalisation.

Why would the type of underlying conditions involved change the fact that 7 out of 10 children hospitalised had an underlying condition?

I am fairly confident that the HSE would not quote this statistic in their vaccine literature if they believed it to be irrelevant to the situation in Ireland.

Maybe slightly more. Have also heard 270,000. 75,000 registered to date. 10,000 done yesterday. Kids like an event so it would make sense to try to do the other 65,000 this weekend between the pharmacies, GPs and MVCs. A testament to how compliant the Irish are. Not necessarily a cause for self cangratulation in my view.

So all that's left from next week is second doses and not that many. Maybe 250,000 in total over the course of the next 4 weeks including children . Expect the MVCs to start closing soon.

We also have mRNA deliveries of at least 200,000 a week in addition to the 700,000 mRNA yet to arrive that we just bought from Romania.

Of course the elephant in the room is that the more we vaccinate the more cases rise.

Are the pregnant teachers who are not getting the vaccine considered "anti-vaxxrs"?

The questions that keep me up at night.

I know a couple of kids getting theirs in city west and they’ve been queuing for hours. Seems something isn’t working right.

What elephant in the room? We've mostly opened up with the more transmissible Delta about and most cases are in the 16-34 age group who are going through the vaccination process. All is as expected really with ICU for those fully vaccinated(14+ days), even with high number, very low(6 people since April according to ronan Glynn the other day)

Kids like to queue. They do it even when unnecessary for things like Penny's and concert tickets. It gives them a sense of occasion. Which is why it makes sense to give it to them this weekend rather than stretching it out over a week. Doubt any were "queueing for hours" though.

MVCs will be very quiet next week. Most will probably stay closed for a few days.

Any evidence that most MVC's will stay closed for a few days next week? Or just more speculation on your part?

Ireland to cease deliveries of AZ, Janssen vaccines

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0815/1240941-covid-ireland/

My neice, aged 12 registered on Thursday and got first dose on Saturday. Very quick, in and out.

I find this a strange attitude to take. If you landed in hospital for any other reason (collapsed, started coughing up blood, hit by a car, etc.), would you tell them "I don't want any of these new fangled treatments or drugs without a long-term safety profile of both the technology and the specific medicine, stick to what they used 20 years ago. But first I'll do my own assessment of risks and benefits, can't be relying on these scientists and regulators. I'll let you know when I'm ready".

Not sure what it is about vaccines that makes people think they need to second guess them, but not practically every other part of modern medicine. Presumably it is because vaccines are preventative and most other medical treatments are in response to a specific problem and therefore more pressing. I wonder if mNRA had first came out not as a vaccine but as a treatment for a problem you are already suffering from, would people be as wary of it?