Summer 2021 General Discussion

To avoid confusion, I clearly state whether the temperature is actually cold, cool, mild, warm, very warm, hot, etc; in the meteorological sense rather than my own personal feeling of the temperature.

For example, it's currently about 14° outside at my location. It's August. Therefore, from a meteorological point of view, it's cool. There's no argument there. It's also drizzling, it's calm and relative humidity is at over 90% so if I go out for a walk in the current weather, it will probably feel cool for me. If I go for a run it will feel very clammy and I'll get very sweaty very quickly.

If the weather now was as exactly as it was yesterday but it had the strong winds like yesterday instead of the calmness at present, it would feel cold (for me) outside. I'd need a heavy hoodie in order to feel comfortably warm. However, at 14°, it would still be cool. Just because I could be feeling cold does not necessarily make it cold outside.

Another example would be a calm clear day with a temperature of 25°. That would be classed as warm, possibly very warm by Met Eireann.. Some would describe it as being hot but 25° is not warm enough to be described as being hot. The issue here is that a lot of people will be sitting out in direct sunshine where it will be very hot during the summer time; but air temperatures are measured in the shade, mainly because they will be more consistent throughout the day as differing levels of solar radiation in different places won't skew the readings.

So whilst some people will say that it's scorching hot at 25°, they've likely spent time in direct sunshine and are in fact describing the feeling of direct radiation from the sun on their skin as being scorching hot, which may well be the case. Then there are others who have a very low heat tolerance and will find 25° in the shade in calm conditions to feel very hot to them even if they are being inactive.

Then there are others (me being one of them) who would wish the temperature would be at least 5° warmer!

So the moral of this long ramble is that 14° is cool in August and 25° is warm, arguably very warm in August. That would be the meteorological take on it. Any other descriptions should be avoided unless you clearly state that it is your body's personal reaction to the weather conditions. So you could say the following on a wet and windy August day with a temperature of 14°: "It's a cool day but it's feeling very cold due to rain and wind chill factor". In just a few words, you've given an accurate description of the actual temperature but have also informed everyone how the culmination of the different aspects of the current weather have made you, as an individual, FEEL very cold.

Right, I need a coffee after that epic waffle.

You are the one telling me how I should feel. Last week wasn't cold (and we had loads of rain too) nor is this week. Very muggy out there again today.

Yeah can't see any deluges or big total amounts coming from this band of rain,spitting away rain for the last half an hour now

If you read the exchange right, and the post that OldRio quoted, I also said Summer wasn't cold, which was his original contention. Yes, it was warm yesterday, just like it has been all summer. The 'last week' argument is pointless given what I actually said.

I recorded a monsoonal rain rate of 168mm/h there during one of those downpours last week. The temperature did not fall below 10c during it at all, in fact it stayed pretty constant. (15c before and during)

From OldRio:

'Like any summer month'???

Nah. I don't recognise this phenomenon at all. In fact the utter opposite is my experience in this local area. The seasons all mingle. Last week the relentless rain had no warmth to it. Cold in every aspect.

Your reply:

It's overcast here, spitting rain with a stiff 13 knot breeze and temp is 17c, and it isn't in the least bit cold or even cool out. It feels warm out to the point of being uncomfortable. If you feel cold in this sort of weather, than I don't know how you cope when it actually does get cold in winter.

What you quoted is very confusing. OldRio is talking about it being cold the previous week, you are responding about it not being currently cold (the following week).

I only looked at the ECM this morning, and it had me down for over 10mm today, I think we'll be lucky to see even 1mm from this spitty front here locally at least.

More pointlessness.

This was my post that has caused all this contention.

I can't understand how anyone can be cold at this time of year. Today was breezy, the odd shower and some broken nice sunshine, but at no stage did it ever feel remotely cool even. Like any August, or any summer month, there is that constant dull warmth in the air that rain or shine, polar or tropical, wind or calm just cannot shake off.

My posts are only 'confusing' to those who can't read them right.

You called me a troll earlier there Highdef, but I'm wondering who the real trolls are here...

'that's tough'

Deary me.

Called out for lying and this is his response.. 'deary me'.

Don't respond to my posts again OldRio. You are an obvious troll.

Maybe a better choice of quote when quoting a previous reply will not lead to ambiguity.

However, despite being personally favoured towards (actual) warm temperatures, I feel that there aren't too many posters feeling much in the way of a "dull warmth" today. I don't think warm could be used to describe the temperatures today. A damp coolness or for the coldies out there, a humid and mild day...... Very much a push!

You are right, tis' perishing out there Highdef:

I said 'then tough'...

'That's tough' actually sums you up. You can't even read what I say right and then after calling me a liar claims I am the bully? As I said, keep your trolldom away from my posts and stop wasting my time with your nonsense.

It seems deflection is your go to when you're caught out. Classic form of manipulation.

He's a thought. If you don't want me to respond to your posts stop replying to mine.

Rain of that intensity is guaranteed pretty much ever summer on occasion.