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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    There are a lot of cogs in this - NPHET ruminations, Govt ones, departmental reflections etc. We can probably expect leaks from the end of next week on the plan!



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,371 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    As I said there has been no talk of a return to normality



  • Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭aziz


    You would think that if there were some good news on the horizon,there would be leaks aplenty



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,060 ✭✭✭MontgomeryClift


    It's obvious that they're allowing people a vague sense that normality will return if people keep getting the injections, without committing to a return to normal.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It's less than two weeks away so relax. There'll be plenty to fire at when it does appear.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 158 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    Ronan Glynn said a couple of days ago that he's urging as many as possible to come forward for vaccination so we can get back to "as close to normal as fast as possible". Which is somewhat encouraging.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,371 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    That was the comment I had in mind

    “ close to normal”

    What does that mean

    A significant number of posters on here believe we are close to normal for a long time



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so



    2,000 broken this week but still reasonably OK on hospitals. Yeah, I know, weekend hospital numbers ....



  • Registered Users Posts: 158 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    I think their idea of close to normal is masks in certain situations, or individual responsibility on masks. And probably vaccine certs to enter festivals and large events. Continuation of testing and tracing. But that's probably even being too optimistic



  • Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭aziz


    Just another two weeks

    im sick to the back teeth of hearing that



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,278 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    in my opinion we won’t get back to any sort of life like we did in 2019! It’ll be years!

    it’s seriously disheartening watching full stadiums again in the Premier League, Denmark ending mask mandates(similar population and vaccine rates)

    I said it in a previous post, what does Holahan mean by living a normal life once vaccinated? I’m still not able to go to a match without a ticket, have to wear a mask taking a crap at work, can’t sit at a bar, we have to have pods at concerts! What a load of **** bollix! The likes of Electric Picnic not going ahead even with a fully vaccinated crowd is another absolute joke! The list goes on and on!

    you’ve the likes of Orla Hegarty constantly on our airwaves now as if she’s a public health expert! She’s a fûcking architect! Couldn’t give a fiddlers if she knows about ventilation but she’s a pain in the whole to listen to! The rest of ISAG slowing coming back out from underneath their rocks to spout shite once again!



  • Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭cheezums


    seems to be little doubt now young people have been the main (mostly asymptomatic) driver of this all along? vast majority of adult population vaccinated, schools out and we are still getting 2000 cases a day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,033 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Have new studies come out to suggest that recently? Or is it moreso a case of wanting something to be true and therefore pretending it is?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I must say that masks, or perhaps mask wearing, baffles me. I've seen the studies and the diagrams, but then I look at the real world evidence of mask everywhere countries vs masks nowhere countries and I just don't see what masks do. Spain vs Sweden, Norway vs the Philippines, the US going back to mask wearing. In the Philippines people have to wear a mask and a face shield everywhere and it has either the highest number of cases and deaths in Southeast Asia, or is close to having the highest. Spain required them everywhere until fairly recently and had huge numbers of cases and deaths compared with Norway, which required them only for people traveling to quarantine from the airport. Rand Paul said that when the mandates were introduced the case numbers went through the roof in state after state. I acknowledge that the studies are there, but I've never heard of something that is said to reduce something, but at the same time results in something shooting up, i.e. case numbers. Again, I'm not saying they don't work, just that I'm very confused by them. Countries with no masks have fared an awful lot better than countries with masks everywhere. You would think it'd be the opposite.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You're right. But people think I'm crazy for saying that they are very popular. But I reckon they definitely are. The country is obsessed with them. So many people love that they can call out a person for not wearing one. That's why I don't see them ever going.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Bit in irish times other day about college kids needing vax pass to use college canteen and bar. Dunno if true or not.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No, no, don't worry, they're just temporary. Just for a few weeks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭godzilla1989


    How did you draw that conclusion?

    Have they given a breakdown of age cohorts and vaccination status of those 2,000 infections a day?

    Little napkin math for those 2,000 cases today

    60% of the country are fully vaccinated, 3,000,000 people

    40% of the country are not fully vaccianted, 2,000,000 people

    With a 95% efficacious vaccine and 2000 cases

    100 infections should be in fully vaccinated group

    1900 infections should be in non vaccinated group.

    With 4,000,000 adults in Ireland, 1,000,000 kids and 80% of adults fully vaccinated

    For the 2,000 cases today

    Cases age ranges should be

    100 ( vaccinated adults ) + 836 ( unvaccinated adults )= 936 adults

    1064 = kids ( unvaccinated obviously at the moment )



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yep. That's it. And they keep saying 'semblance of normality'.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,548 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Like i said Delta in the UK hit 70% @ 22/5/2021

    I can't give an exact date but looks like mid July for Germany. So currently about 2 months behind. Not that it will exactly follow the same duration and growth as countries will have done things differently than others to prevent things early on.


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983



    I hear ya and agree….I suppose lots of things don’t add up….UK are fully open yet pro rata don’t have that many more cases than us….Not saying what is right or wrong regarding any of this - some of it just doesn’t add/make sense…



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,656 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    They're running 22% above our figure Pro rata.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yes, it's the confusion that's most annoying. Massive case numbers and deaths in countries with masks everywhere vs low case numbers and few deaths in countries with no masks (Norway in particular). And yet 99.9% of people in that mask thread swear by them. I don't get it. How can huge case numbers in mask countries versus hardly any cases in maskless countries be ignored?



  • Registered Users Posts: 247 ✭✭deeperlearning


    The Irish Independent has got an attack of the vapours because there are now 43 ICU beds here in Ireland occupied by patients with covid.

    Alabama, with a very similar population of 4.9 million, has 689 ICU beds filled with covid patients.


    If only we could get the Irish Independent to move to Alabama. Its alamist headlines would serve a far more useful purpose there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,210 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    No, no new studies, it's always been known that surgical or cloth masks don't do do much to stop viruses. Here is cidrap director Michael osterholm saying as much last week. It might make you feel safer to have something over your nose and mouth, but if you really want to protect yourself it should be n95

    "You know I wish we could get rid of the term masking because, in fact, it implies that anything you put in front of your face works, and if I could just add a nuance to that which hopefully doesn't add more confusion is we know today that many of the face cloth coverings that people wear are not very effective in reducing any of the virus movement in or out," Osterholm said."





  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I honestly think we continuously underestimate cultural differences in terms of how people socialise and interact.

    For example, some countries are just more much more gregarious and use public spaces and events much more than others and others just aren’t. I’ve lived in a few European countries and there are huge differences in that regard.

    Ireland, Britain, some of the Benelux, definitely Spain, Portugal, Italy etc are all highly focused on things like bars, eating out, live music, and big public connected regular outings.

    Some other countries are a more more focused on inviting people home and that’s where it’s spreading in France for example.

    There are also differences in climate. In somewhere like Ireland but also much of the northwest of Europe it’s too wet and cold to just have terrace dining and drinking most of the time. It will be challenging beyond September and indoors will fill up.

    There are also travel patterns of travel connecting some countries much more than others, which is why you’ll see things happen on the U.K., Ireland, Spain, Portugal and France in quite rapidly connected sweeps, much more so than say an outbreak in the U.K. leading to one in Norway or Germany.

    There are also aspects of societies you can’t change as they’re deeply cultural and there are limits to how long people will be able to just not interact.

    I’m honestly at the stage that I don’t know what the outcome of this is. The vaccines are a massive step forward, but they’re not likely to end it, only dampen its impact. It’s a disease that has hit upon our fundamental need to be social and live in communities and that’s why the infection chain is difficult to break.

    The only solutions I can see to this are going to have to be technical and medical : develop a next generation of better vaccines, find effective antivirals etc, as we’re not going to be able to keep social and extreme hygiene measures in place forever and we’re also not looking like we’re going to be able to achieve natural herd immunity anytime soon.

    We’re also not doing enough about ventilation and air filtration. It’s expensive, but relative to a lockdown it’s money very well spent. We could be lashing in the HEPA filters and serious air quality monitoring on a big scale into classrooms, bars, restaurants etc but we’re not because we are a political culture that is reactive, often lacking in any engineering or technical prowess and frequently penny pinching in all the wrong areas.

    We should be using widespread, cheap antigen testing but we are clearly caught up in some medico legal deer in headlights that tests must be utterly perfect or not done. I’m sure that’s at the core of the anti-antigen thing here.

    It just seems to me like 1950s to 2019 was the golden age of an expectation of a developed world that was largely free of any dangerous, highly communicable diseases. SARS-CoV-2 has driven a bus through that utopia most of us grew up in and is incredibly frustrating and depressing to realise that’s our reality now.

    This is how life was before the 1950s and 60s and what’s worse is we’re taking things like the magical ability of antibiotics to control and cure common illnesses for granted and wasting those too and making little effort to find or develop new ones. So there’s plenty more potential for bubbles of certainty to burst in the years ahead



  • Registered Users Posts: 713 ✭✭✭gral6


    Prof Nolan was deeply concerned with rising cases today again. He's posted numerous number of graphs on his twitter today again. I wonder if someone reads it at all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    Again I haven’t a clue…Many, many things don’t add up…Many stats contradict one another if you follow me…I am not pro mask or anti mask - I’ll just go with the flow….I’d say it will be months/years before the experts have this one figured out and can agree on everything….Many of the experts disagree and your average joe soap (ie myself) really don’t have the answers….BUT yeah stuff doesn’t add up….



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Jaysus, that's depressing. The thing is nearly over, very few are dying, once your vaccinated it's going to be fine. Some small number will still get sick, some even smaller number will still die but such is life.

    Everyone I know is essentially getting back to normal, meeting up, going out, holidaying, going to sporting events etc.

    This isn't the end of the world.



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