US and Nato withdrawal from Afghanistan...- threadbanned users in OP

Have a friend he was US infantry 2 tours afganistan and 1 Iraq he said the taliban fighters where high on heroin in any battles he fought it made them so unpredictable and brazen unlike the Iraqes.

Heroin turns you into a zombie barely with the ability to stand never mind having any kind of tactical prowess on a battlefield .....

Yes, fear and lack of support. If they lose a battle they will probably be executed. They would need to be some nutters to fight the Taliban rather than run away. If the Taliban are capable of sustaining this pressure then Kabul will fall soon.

If the Americans had just provided air support for a few months things could be very different. That would have demoralised the Taliban and they would be the ones feeling the fear.

its almost as if the Americans have accepted the Taliban as the new government and are just prepared to deal with them as legitimate.

Had a friend working over there, he met plenty of smart, hard-working and kind Afghans, and he was working with everyone from farmers to local officials.

These are people who've had neverending war, constant poverty, horrendous childhoods, national PTSD - of course many of them are fucked up. No matter how fucked up the whole thing has been, in the last 20 years, women have become doctors, people have managed to rise out of poverty, universities came back to life, increased literacy, increased child mortality, all the stats and gradual shoots of a country slowly starting to grind it's way out of despair. Nah, all that is pretty much gone now. The Taliban will come in the with the "these are just guidelines" approach, take over and then it'll be straight back to 1996 by next year.

The Afghan president is so so weak. He didn't even mount an offensive, he just rolled over like the puppet he is . Afghan needs a leader who rules with an iron fist, once first city was attacked he should have got troops there, the Afghan Forces are the 75th strongest in the world, not bad, not great, but come one, enough to kill some bearded nutjobs, there is not excuse, they have 1/4 of a million soldiers, and their enemy is but a few, what an absolute joke the Afghan President is, you'd have to wonder who's side he's on.

Meanwhile your sitting in a 20+ ton killing machine and they fled not the Toyota bois

Excellent post.

The fact of the matter is that these people live in the middle ages and are centuries behind the west , they ar not interested in democracy and equal rights and women's rights, not everyone in the world wants democracy and the same values America has, a local peasant in Afghanistan doesn't care about capitalism and louis vuitton bags , loans with interest are forbidden the Quran , they care about serving god the way they're being told is right.

It's time America should start to grasp that reality that not every part in the world is ready or interested in their way of life.

Love how these threads bring out the keyboard warriors,

"go back in there, and just kill the lot of them, armed or unarmed"

🙄🙄🙄

But they did promise air support after the ground troops had left, and they are carrying out bombing missions, mainly on supply and equipment dumps, vehicles ect. that they dont want falling into Taliban hands. They are probably harrassing Taliban grouping where the find them as well, but that becomes increasingly difficult when they capture cities and mingle with the local population.

How difficult can they make it to delete a post...

Hmmm clap your hands or face public execution of you and your family ,it's an easy option when you have no other options