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New Alternative News Channel "GB News" chaired by Andrew Neil launching - read OP before posting

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The trans movement of the past was a legitimate movement, and their rights were secured accordingly. Every right thinking person is in favour of that outcome. That was at a time when LGBT wasn't about interfering with anyone else, but simply a movement to secure their own rights.

    In recent years, that has all changed.

    The imposition of biological men into women's sport has nothing to do with the original intention. The imposition of multigender theory - including astralgender, an affinity to the stars - and an infinity of invented, often nonsensical and outright stupid pronouns, is not just anti-biological; it's antisocial and illogical and has gone too far beyond the original remit. Entering into and undermining women's rights is not a small thing we should just wish away. It's an outrage.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,606 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    There's a very demented sort of nature to these transphobic and xenophobic arguments where they have to be shoved into as many threads as possible despite having nothing whatsoever to do with said threads. It's like being in a cult or something.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's very much connected with GB News.

    GB News has defined themes that tend not to get discussed elsewhere. For instance, when the outrageous Scottish law was passed the other day - which allows 4-year olds in school to identify as transgender without parental consent, that wasn't at all discussed at length on the BBC or Sky News. GB News did discuss it - and rightly so; it's an outrageous law. Some Scottish legal minds believe it may even be illegal. But the point is clear; that GB News is discussing the very matters that we are discussing here. It's a current affairs thread after all, and so the nature of these arguments and the existence of GB News very much goes together.

    The same could be said of other themes that GB News focusses on that other channels simply do not.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,606 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    This clearly isn't true. Just like when you've presented false figures which other posters have taken apart and your derision of working class people as lazy.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    False.

    I said the majority of the population was lazy, particularly middle class men and women. I specifically gave the example of a human resource manager called Linda.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    A quick google of 'astralgender' and it comes across as incredibly niche. In reference to 'multigender theory', the basic logic is that gender is on spectrum, so a person mightn't really fit into either bracket. I'll confess I don't fully understand it but gender is still a construct and not necessarily biological in definition and cultures with more than two identified genders isn't a new thing. I'm also lost on it's 'anti-social', do they not want to talk to you? :p You don't get to decide on what the remit is or to say that trans rights are all sorted now, we don't have to do any more.

    Fyi, transgender people have been allowed to participate in the olympics since 2004, the world has not imploded. Also funnily enough, it's people such as yourself that have chosen to target intersex athletes such as Caster Semenya.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,947 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Ah no, sure as has been demonstrated earlier in the thread that lad was clearly🙄 a lefty socialist 🤦 and EH holds no truck with lefties.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,606 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The adamant refusal to provide evidence and the various silly statements mean I don't believe this to be honest.

    One example isn't evidence of anything.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Not one person is 100% masculine or 100% feminine.

    Therefore, everyone in the world is transgender based on that logic.

    Of course, it's not logic at all; it's deliberate obfuscation. Whether you are an effeminate man or a masculine woman does not change biological sex. You're still a man, even if you're effeminate. And it certainly doesn't mean you're entitled to a set of invented pronouns, invented precisely to make you feel special about yourself. It's a modern, fashionable and daft, attention-seeking mechanism that has nothing to do with biological sex. It's a cult. And many transgender women, such as Blaire White and Rose of Dawn, agree with me on this matter.

    They are perfectly entitled to that theory and I hope it makes them happy. I genuinely do.

    But all I ask is that they leave me, and the rest of us, alone. I kindly ask them to not force their invented ideology onto the rest of us.

    This is what we request with religions, too - and for good reason.

    I could never, ever, ever be friends with someone who invented a set of pronouns and wanted me to call them Zir or They. There's not enough time in the day for me to deal with that nonsense. It's absolutely stupid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,211 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    I think I get where you’re coming from, kinda answers my question earlier.

    So -


    • GB News covers these issues, and news channels don’t
    • GB News viewing figures are shìte compared to viewing figures for news channels (they are now eskimo, come on now, and nobody needs to be a data scientist to be able to see that much from the viewing figures alone)
    • You claim that GB News is covering issues that in your opinion the majority of people in the UK are concerned about (and I’ll even be generous and include Ireland and sure why not the US seeing as GB News is available overseas)
    • Yet their viewing figures are still shìte, when even by your logic, their viewing figures should be through the roof, far surpassing those woke media outlets which don’t cater to the majority of people in the UK


    Curious logic tbh, but I understand why it appears to be common sense to a GB evangelist… apologies - someone who considers themselves a common sense conservative.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Question, do you recognise a transgender person who identifies as a woman to be a woman? That's the most basic scenario, recognising them as a woman does not infringe upon your rights or negatively impact your life..... I don't think you're actually particularly passionate about science and still don't seem to understand the concept of gender which is a social construct.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If someone identifies as a trans woman - even if they haven't undergone surgery, I refer to them as She etc. Out of courtesy.

    I don't believe they literally are a biological woman, but as a self-identified woman. So, I'll use the correct designated pronoun based on that alone. This is what Blaire White believes. She is a transgender woman, but acknowledges that she is a biological man.

    I'd never refer to them as He, that would be disrespectful and deliberately offensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,566 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Welcome to the wonderful world of "alternative facts"

    😆



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Also, this transgender ideology has implications for straight men that often don't get discussed, but has been discussed on GB News.

    Below, I've put some prominent examples of famous transwomen: boxing promoter Kellie Maloney; Canadian transactivist Jessica Yaniv; and Olympian legend Laurel Hubbard.

    A question to the straight men on this forum: do you find any of these women attractive? would you sleep with any of them?

    The important point is this: that many within the trans movement now argue that straight men who refuse to sleep with transgender women are actually transphobic by definition. And this includes pre-surgery transwomen who are still in possession of a penis.

    This is the problem, the mission creep of many trans militants. It starts off harmlessly with pronouns and so on. Once that's accepted, we must now allow biological men into the Olympic women's division; and now this emerging argument that straight men are transphobic for not wanting to sleep with transgender women, with or without surgery.

    When does the mission creep end?

    It doesn't seem to have an end as far as I can see.




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,213 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Your on-going struggles with basic maths continue to entertain.

    Vast majority, yet only 43% of them voted Tory.

    And not all Tory voters are necessarily any or all of the things you list above.

    So, absolutely categorically nothing even remotely close to a majority let alone a "vast" one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,655 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    "many within the trans movement now argue that straight men who refuse to sleep with transgender women are actually transphobic by definition. And this includes pre-surgery transwomen who are still in possession of a penis"


    you say "many" are saying this, how many exactly? Is it 90%? Or is it one or two?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That's exactly the problem.

    For instance: what started off a few years ago as a minority on multigender theory, is now pretty pervasive across the board today; now schools and young children are being indoctrinated.

    The demands never end. Who knows what will come next after this.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    This used to be the arguments about homosexuals and the world never ended.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,653 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    OK guys - stick to discussing the channel, and not the underlying issues it reports



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ya, he's literally fishing out stuff from the most niche corners of the internet. Similar to his astral gender thing. The funnier thing is, dodgy views are entirely mainstream on the right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,480 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Are these the slides in standards you were talking about @Blaine10

    Have to laugh at the type of weirdo who spends morning, noon and night wanking on about an "anti-woke" fake news channel that propagandises to a tiny minority of idiots making the claim that the majority opinion stands with him. 😆 A channel, BTW, that cannot even raise a mildly respectable viewing figure.


    You don't get to talk about "reality" lad. Your posting contribution on here, hours and HOURS of it, shows clearly that you don't have any grasp of reality whatsoever.


    Get help or get back on the meds.


    I know your suggestion that mods aren't on the ball here to be untrue because I got a warning for much less than the above.


    @Tony_EH

    The vast majority of Britain doesn't even know what "woke" actually is, never mind what their position is on it. So, it's no wonder at all that GBeebees is failing miserably. There's no audience for it because the thing they claim they're combatting has no real impact on everyday lives.

    That could be because the BBC are not going to discuss their own Countryside hosts claiming their countryside is racist. I don't know what you'd expect to see in the English countryside - herds of wildebeest or African tribe artefacts perhaps. Of course the serious point they were insinuating is that there are very few BAME demographics outside of metropolitan areas which is of course attributable to the reason that most minorities would prefer to live with their own kind in the same way I did once by relocation to the city which has very high density of strapping gay men leaving fewer in more rural areas. See, no need to be so disparaging of far too white English countryside. The true meaning of diversity is not that everywhere is the same and I'm sure the village of "we're not very diverse around here are we, sigh" Dibly is lovely the way it is. The people who officially complained about that to the BBC at least know what woke actually actually is.


    Now since it's Sunday here's an appropriate message from the gammon Bishop of York.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    They should probably stop behaving and voting in a backward and xenophobic manner, if they want people to stop thinking of them as backward and xenophobic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,211 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Think that nails it on the head for me as to how I see GB News -

    They have presenters and people on being interviewed, being paid to express backward and xenophobic views, for the benefit of an audience who see themselves as victims of the kind of stories that GB News is trying to wind people up about.

    I dunno if it’s still a segment on the channel but that whole “Woke Watch” thing was an example of just pure stupidity, and what audience interaction I’ve seen amounts to viewers calling in to give their opinions with names like Mike Hunt and Mike Oxlong 😂

    Just pure amateurish nonsense, none of it actually feels authentic or genuinely held opinions. They appear to be literally just doing it for the money, and even then for a few the money isn’t enough to keep them from jumping ship, if they’re not being fired for expressing an opinion which isn’t intended to be divisive, like the ‘threat’ of what they call ‘cancel culture’.

    It makes sense only in regard to it being an outlet for juvenile sneering funded by other people’s money. As long as they can keep fuelling the outrage machine to cover their costs, they don’t need to generate revenue from advertising, they can just use Patreon like every other wind-up merchant on YouTube.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,655 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    418 viewers on YouTube won't be making them much revenue 😁





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Flicked by it last night to see a replay of Dan Wooton covering the Northern Irish protocol. Wootons position was that the big bad EU are out to punish the UK for holding them to the terms of a deal they literally signed up to. But of course he didnt mention anything about Boris saying it was oven ready and a great deal, that got completely swept under the carpet. Instead he said the protocol they signed up to has to go and then he advocated that the border comes out of the Irish sea and onto land between the north and Ireland. The guy is literally clueless, he is like the audio visual version of 'The Sun says.....'



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  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yep the type of audience that don't understand the difference between the word paedophile and pediatrician, or state that someone doing charity work must be like a paedophile



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,535 ✭✭✭Dave0301


    Unfortunately that type of woeful ignorance is exactly what their viewers want to hear and lap up. That is what GB News, if it survives will only apply to a certain cross section of society that need their own ignorant views and beliefs pandered to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Mark Dolan was on expressing similar sentiments. "The EU seem happy to restart the troubles in Northern Ireland".

    It would almost be funny if it wasn't so abjcectly ignorant.

    Knowing Dolan's past work, I can't help thinking he's going to turn around some day and admit his whole participation was satire. On the other hand, perhaps beggars simply can't be choosers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,295 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Not really. A survey says it might make people more likely to watch but why not look at the much more accurate figures of who is actually watching



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,606 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    This has already been debunked.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Very interesting that you can't show actually increases in viewers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,938 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    There is no such thing as bad publicity. Those moaning and complaining are doing all the advertising they need for free.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,429 ✭✭✭Morgans


    The interesting bit is

    "A survey of 1,000 people found that 29 per cent were more likely to watch GB News following the boycott, compared to 14 per cent who said they were less likely to tune in."

    So, 57% of people couldn't care less one way or the other, or do not know what GB News is.



  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Except that it does not appear to be the case going by either the linked article or the actual viewing figures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,480 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Now behaving is one thing - but VOTING! Hard to take complaints about the UK's fptp system seriously when you don't respect the way people vote in the first place!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's anti-democratic rhetoric - subscribe to the accepted view or be tainted with xenophobia, racism, bigotry, Nazism, and transphobia.

    This is Orwell's 1984 made flesh. You can think, but only if you think the right way.



  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nope people get tainted with those terms due to their words and actions.

    Well done on misunderstanding 1984 it's a common theme with the likes of the channels intended audience, same as insisting that the Nazis were socialists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,211 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Invoking 1984 to describe the phenomenon of a minuscule, tiny number of people expressing a different view to what in your opinion are views held by the majority of people in society?

    You’re having a laugh, surely?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Again, if they want not to be tainted with such accusations, they should stop talking and behaving like xenophobes, racists, bigots and transphobes. The term Nazi is redundant.

    It's not rhetoric if a person can contradict their words and their deeds with facts, examples, data and citations.

    It's my democratic right to work to silence and frustrate those that would stamp on democratic rights. Is that so hard for you to distinguish?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Ohh, a 1984 comparison! Now that's an idea I hadn't considered. It's kind of an interesting parallel too!

    I guess it covers the whole of Brexit / MAGA mentality and the media that hangs off it, but I guess you could almost compare the likes of GB News & Fox News etc as "The Ministry of Truth". Then you have things like:

    The Hour of Hate - (Where in you get a selected enemy to scream at for a while)

    "Eastasia is our ally" (Brexit Means Brexit, Oven Ready Deal, Great deal for Britian)

    "Eastasia is our enemy, and always has been" (The Deal is the EU's fault, and is terrible)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,606 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It really isn't. Conservatives aren't some sort of upper caste who are above criticism, no matter how desperately they wish they were.

    Odd that you're invoking 1984 while you so desperately shill for a channel which has literally sacked people for thoughtcrime.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,307 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Ahh yes but FPtP is completely democratic and respects how people vote..... only 1 government elected by the majority of the people in almost 100 years.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That journalist breached the ethos of the channel and made an overtly political gesture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,158 ✭✭✭frag420




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,294 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    What part of the ethos of the channel did he breach (considering he ran it past producers etc before doing it and was told it'd be fine) and why does someone supporting the gesture of kneeling (by kneeling himself) count as an overtly political gesture whereas Farage outright saying he would never kneel not count as an equally overt political gesture? (considering there is no gesture for not kneeling in those circumstances other than claiming he would not kneel).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    "breached the ethos of the channel" makes it sound like a cult. Either believe the same things as us or you will be fired. And this from the same people who complain about cancel culture.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You answered your own question.

    That journalist performed an overtly political gesture. Nigel Farage claimed that he would never make an overtly political gesture.

    Therefore, one is in accordance with the ethos and the other was clearly in breach.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,606 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The ethos being that it's a safe space. We know.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If Krishnan Guru-Murthy did the same thing, he'd rightly be reprimanded by Channel 4, too.

    If Huw Edwards of the BBC suddenly dropped off his seat to his knee in the middle of the BBC News at 10, he'd rightly be reprimanded, too.

    GB News is being consistent with the above. This is not the same as being cancelled; this is a question of professional integrity.



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