What's your least favourite Star Trek series?

Discovery. I'm simply not having any fun with it.

As flawed as I felt both Enterrpise and Voyager where, I could still gleen some enjoyment from them. But Discovery very quickly become a chore to watch which goes against the whole idea of entertainment.

Picard is nearly down there too, but at least for the first half I remember having fun with it. There was still potential and hope, and despite them imploding all of that by the end, it was still an easier watch than Discovery.

Even including the JJ-verse moives, I would still put Discovery at the bottom of this barrel.

Discovery,hands down. I've kept watching until now but won't bother with the new season.

We're rewatching Voyager at the moment, enjoying it more than I did the first time around.

I think Picard for the offense it committed against him. Picard wouldn't have ended up being a lonely, old dude who faced ageist discrimination (in the progressive utopia of the Federation, I'm surprised this was allowed to happen, just shows the lack of respect Alex Kurtzman has for the franchise). Honestly, all the Trek material since the Abrams-verse is shallow, boring and irritating. The characters are frequently subordinate to intricate plots I simply don't care about, there are deus ex devices like "red matter" and it's abandoned the optimistic, humanistic principles of Trek in favour of cynicism and "darkness". The world is already a dark place, I don't care much for cynicism or reasons why "things will never change/human nature". Trek could be "punk" in defying the broad trend of television to be grim-dark.

It really does feel like the Marvel/Hollywood blockbuster formula has been imposed on shows like Trek, such that even TV is no longer a safe haven. I find those films extremely tedious because the characters are simply plot functions and the plots are boring as hell. Why did Discovery have to start with "war" as a narrative. It's lazy af. Conflict is the source of drama but having nearly every show/film in Trek start off with this is annoying and unimaginative. It's similar to how Nemesis and Into Darkness tried to reproduce TWoK. I'm fed up with war as a narrative device in TV, I don't care about epic, galactic spanning events because they are so many of them. I want personal stories with profound implications or just beautiful universe building. For example, most people probably won't know this game but Planescape Torment is really cool because it has a story about 1 dude, who can't remember who he is and has tattoos on his back left by previous versions of himself. The narrative is interesting precisely because it's different, the focus is on characters, and it has some deep elements going on. Why can't you have a story like that unfold in a Trek show? I don't feel like these new Trek shows are Trek at all, they're just using the name.

Hands down, Discovery, Burnham annoyed me, completely unlikeable. Some special effects were good, esp with the ships in the first series, first fleet to fleet battle. As Bad as Enterprise was, which I agree with the poster who mentioned one character was childish, but I thought the 3 main male characters were like petulant moronic children, couldn't get into it, that said, it was never as bad as Discovery. I liked the JJ-verse movies myself.

Ditto for me re. the Voyager rewatch (I haven't figured out how to quote part of a post yet)

Cry trek.

That what we call discovery in our house.

The only way we can watch it is to bet at which minute into it Burnham tears up.

Definitely Discovery by a country mile. The last season was the first time I'd ever groan out loud at the nonsense in a Trek show.

Discovery.

Its so woke, it put me to sleep.

It'd have to be Discovery for me too. Gave it a fair shot before giving up about two thirds of the way through Season 3. It does have some high points, and I did really enjoy Lorca and Pike as characters, but overall the show fails to maintain my interest.

Not concentrating on the captain was a big mistake and Discovery wasted 2 excellent ones. Especially the cop out with Lorca

Yeah, I got that, just didn't come across in my reply, mea culpa! I think you got the main difference between TOS and Discovery though, TOS was fun. Discovery is joyless.

Just one example, when TOS, DS9, and ENT did mirror universe episodes they leaned into how ridiculous and over the top they could make the characters. Rarely my favourite episodes, but they were at least fun. The Discovery mirror episodes were joyless experiences with the cast and writers deciding that overacting was a good stand in for making actual "mirror" versions of the characters (who really had no development by the time the MU was introduced in season 1). Not only that, they made the mirror universe central to the plot of the show, in every single season, so whereas you could ignore dominatrix Kira since it was a once off episode, removed from the main story, you couldn't ignore the Discovery mirror stuff because they jammed it right into the middle of the plot.

Honestly I lay a whole lot of the blame for some of my issues with Discovery on the casting of Martin-Green and the fact she remains the singular focus of the show despite the fact she just isn't any good or compelling at all. Whisper tearfully, rage angrily, that seems to be the extent of her range. If the backroom staff admitted that she wasn't a strong enough actress to carry the entire show on her own and they moved back to the ensemble style of all other Trek to date something might have been salvagable. But instead they doubled down on her character being the pivot point of the entire universe. I did have hopes at the start of season 3, but by the end I was hate watching it.

Sorry for the rant!

STD. It is, so far, the only Star Trek series I've dropped. I gave up a few minutes into the episode where they travel to Trill.

PIcard could end up joining it during season two and I am prepared for SNW to be unwatchable too.

Picard promised so much. It could have caught the optimism for the future of humanity that Roddenberry captured so well in TNG and brought it up to date with some intelligent scriptwriting. Picard was the very embodiment of that idealism. Instead we got a puerile shoot-em-up with two dimensional baddies like something between star wars and a graphic novel. I'm surprised that Patrick Stewart apparently bought into it so much. The opening sequence was the only good bit of it.

Pity.

I've always found TOS hard to watch tbh and enjoyed Enterprise far more than some on here but Discovery just doesn't have any excuse for how bad it is: they have the budget, they have a rich established canon to explore further and yet they've thrown it all away with an almost singular focus on an unlikeable Mary Sue.

So is this actually a discussion thread or just a Discovery bashing thread?

So

Basically

You've got...someone hammering my tender bits with a sharp rock

Then you've got ...having to watch Discovery

And then there's the other 8 of the 10 worst things that could ever happen to me

I feel for many (and certainly for myself) it’s a case of being unable to place Discovery above the other Trek outings in terms of enjoyment. I’m certain there are others out there who may rate Discovery higher than one of the other Trek shows, but it’s hard to imagine since the show has so many flaws weighing it down that the positives don’t really elevate it to the level of even a weak Trek show. They probably have a few more seasons left to correct course, but I fear they won’t. Thus Discovery may end up at the bottom of such lists….unless something worse is made with the Trek name.

As the Netflix buy out kind of reminded us. Star Trek isn't been made for international audiences, it's been made for North American audiences. If it's well received outside North America, like the 90s shows and Lower Decks then great but if it's not doing well domestically then it's canned. Just looking at Ireland specifically, we've always been brutal at accepting other cultures into our own homes, even if the invasion into our homes is confined to our TV or computer screens. What we mock as "woke" culture is generally more widely accepted in the land of "good job" "you go,gurl" "Yas qween" etc. And if DIS is still rating well with them then it stays going whether we like it or not.