Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

You mentioned Trump more times than Biden in that post. So, it's really Trump's fault, am I right?

Look, you know it's bad if MSNBC and CNN, who are usually friendly to Biden are hammering him today.

Not many people are disputing the fact that the US had to get out, but the manner and execution of HOW they did it, falls squarely on Biden. After all, Biden says, the buck stops with him.

Who cares? This won’t even be a topic of debate at the mid terms. The usual losers will continue to try and make noise about it and wont have any issues with the inherent hypocrisy in doing so after supporting Trump but everyone else will move on. I think it was a very Trump style move from the Biden administration tbh, just pull them out and be done with it. It might be different for Biden if the Taliban were instigating an ISIS style reign of terror, the optics of that would be bad but it doesn’t appear to be happening, yet at least.

So you accept that far from the blinkered and biased news organisations that you love to claim them to be likes of CNN etc are at the forefront of calling Biden out over this? How does that fit with the narrative that 'msm is anti Trump'?

As for mentioning Trump, I have stressed, a number of times, that I hold Biden fully accountable for this. However, that doesn't mean that I simple forget that this is exactly what Trump wanted, but as usual given his incompetence and laziness, he failed to deliver. I am pointing out the hyprocisy of Trump supporters calling that Biden to be held to account when it is clear that this is exactly what they actually wanted.

So far from some type of political bombshell, this won't even be an issue in a few months, and can't be used in 2024 as Biden simply has to drag out Trump own words to say Trump would have done the same exact he never bother to get around to it.

The exact opposite is true I fear. One thing we learned during the previous POTUS, is that 24x7 news means that no scandal last longer enough to make a real difference. What cost Trump was that Covid would simply not go away, it was impossible to ignore as it was impacting thousands of lives every day.

There will be mass shooting, a player will kneel before an NFL game, some young girl will be pregnant and be found to have been fond of having a joint, something really important will take over.

In normal times maybe, but you can see the blood pressure has risen in all the QGOP numbskulls and they want to shout all about it in an attempt to get all the hot air out of their system.

OK, so we agree. Biden is fully responsible for this debacle.

While the withdrawal looks like a sh1tshow was it ever going to be any other way? Its not like there was ever going to be a friendly ceremony with the Taliban shaking hands with some US General. If the Afghan army werent willing to fight and at least hold back the Taliban for a few weeks then it was always going to be a chaotic withdrawal of some description.

That 300,000 is a paper stat only. And of the real number, whatever that was, only a portion were actually trained.

I think the real problem is the fact that the majority of Afghans aren't as opposed to Taliban rule as we think they are.

Probably true but we are seeing a lot more of the opposite.

Basically we have a unilateral as far as we know plan, carried out against expert advice, strong statements given that are proven to be spectacularly wrong, chaotic results, lots of screw ed over brown people, the president is of on his holidays and nobody is around to answer the press, and when a speech is given the vast vast majority of it is blaming other people.

Extreme Partisanship is a hell of a drug!

On the long impact thing, might not have a huge impact in terms of establishment Republicans direct strategy but it will definitely be used for attack ads and on social media.

Nice little montage of the chaos and Bidens speech in the background about how Saigon won't happen again, take about ten minutes to do.

Or too try work at the negative campaigning aimed at trying to get democrats to stay home, get a camera friendly Afghan young one who's relatives didn't get out to give some heart felt words.

Tons of possible material and methods to use it without Republicans having to talk directly about what their policy would have been.

Given Trump's history of breaking contracts, reneging on deals and stabbing partners in the back, yeah I do.

It will be "the economy l stupid" that will determine elections. Tragic as it is, the Afghanistan situation won't make a jot of difference.

I agree it could have been handled better but the question is how much better would have been possible. To evacuate thousands of people in an orderly fashion would have taken a few weeks so they needed the Afghan army to fight and hold off the Taliban for that period. When they didnt and laid down their weapons all bets were off. If the Afghans werent willing to fight any withdrawal was always going to be rushed and chaotic.

Obviously the US intelligence reports that Kabul was in no danger were way off the mark, its a bizarre underestimation of conditions on the ground. However even if they knew it would fall quickly they wouldnt be saying it publically anyway so maybe the intelligence reports were deliberate disinformation aimed at the Taliban

Polls to date showing that Biden's approval rating hasn't taken that much of a hit.