Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

"Let the consequences look after themselves" - which are ?

You've done nothing but moan about the AZ rollout, I posted it before "build a bridge and get over it". You got a vaccine that's holding up very well & does exactly what it's supposed to do but yet you've a serous chip off your shoulder about it

It's amazing how every alternative opinion is a 'rant' or a 'chip on the shoulder' just because we don't all go along the with group think and the constant public nudging / spin emanating from the powers that be. Can yous not think for yourselves, take the information feeds and weigh them up? Of course, this 'only relevant now as we're not ordering anymore AZ and Janssen vaccines'. That's exactly my point. It couldn't be done before but now suddenly (as I predicted way back) the tune changes.

I think for myself and no interest in group think . I was one who got AZ in April and was absolutely thrilled to get it

I expected my 2nd dose in July but got it in June . On both occasions I stood in a long queue in City West with people happy and delighted to get a highly efficient vaccine . If I offered another AZ booster or a Pfizer or Moderna I will happily queue again for whatever I am offered

among my neighbours , friends and siblings who all got AZ i heard only one person whinge but then again this same person is a professional whinger anyway

Excellent FT article (paywall) on Israels 4th wave:

https://www.ft.com/content/572112fd-a713-4b0f-99be-bfcbf8506205

• The trend is clear: six to eight months after second jabs, immunity starts to wane. Most recently, the health ministry found that for over-65s who received a second shot in January, protection against severe illness from the now-dominant Delta variant had fallen as low as 55 per cent.
• 90 per cent of Israel’s new infections are among relatively highly-vaccinated over-50s. Health officials have warned that, at current rates, at least 5,000 people would need hospital beds by early September, half with severe medical needs — twice as many as Israel is equipped to handle.
• Even highly-vaccinated countries should retain some preventive measures. (Israel still have some 'light' restrictions including mask wearing and WFH restrictions).
• Israel has started offering over-60s, and soon over-50s, a third shot. If this proves ineffective, the government has warned that a new lockdown may be unavoidable.

Bring on Climate Change, this sh1t is getting ridiculous. The Talibannies can’t even derail this hype train from number 1 news.

I think immune recognition is possibly only a small part of what makes Delta harder to control, so tweaking the vaccines may have less of an effect than you assume.

I'm in talks with the Taliban's new health minister. They're developing a c-19 vaccine and they've agreed to make it available to 'blasphemers and atheists'.

Rollout will begin sometime in 2022.

Lot of doom stories going around about Israel. Pretty much none of those articles talk about Israel hitting a "vaccine ceiling" back in March. Israel were 53% fully vaccinated back then, and they are just 60% fully vaccinated now, 5 months later. Its estimated that the delta variant would need 80-88% fully vaccinated to achieve a herd immunity. Originally that figure for "original covid" was estimated to be around 65%.

That level of vaccination is probably not possible in most countries with the levels of anti-vac, fear and ignorance around. And so unless that changes we are stuck with covid forever unfortunately.

Aside from vaccine hesitancy, there are lots of countries that cannot achieve even 80% total population vaccinated because they have more than 20% of the population ineligible.

"This comes despite the hefty testing system currently in place at Dublin Airport as well as the supposed safety net of the EU digital cert."

"Supposed" is the keyword there. Maybe it needs to be enforced? That might help.

Fear fear fear when it comes to travel. "Chaos", "as many as 30 flights", "As many as 500 people will have to be contacted"

Why is it considered chaos ? Are we supposed to find this number really high ? How many people are contacted as the regular contact tracing not travel related ? There are 1500/2000 positive people every day, and 17 000 tests done, so how 500 people is chaos if it is only 2.8% of all the tests you do every day ?

If you take 30 spreading events and merge them together to reach a high number and create fear, why don't you do the same for other events ? Let's take 30 covid events in schools/weddings/workplaces and count how many people are close contact and need to be contacted.

That 10% of adults yet to receive a vaccine is madening me. I actually know 2 of them who I've more less cut-off from my life. I organised a dinner out last week in a group chat and this one chimes in asking can we book outside because 'I'm not vaccinated' and she didn't want 'a stranger asking me if I've been vaccinated or not'.

*note the 'I' statements.

Of course I said, no not a hope, its raining and I don't want to be smoked on and that's your own fault luv. Haven't heard from her since and don't particularly care to, I booked an inside table for our group.

Another one says: 'I don't know if I want the vaccine or not'. Again more 'I' statements. He's from a developing country which makes me even madder than the Irish one, like would you not just go home and propagate the virus there instead of coming here and having us pick up your bs.

No point talking about herd immunity with these folks, it's all 'my choice', 'I want'. It's all 'me' with these people so best to drop them, if anything the pandemic has allowed certain people to be seen in their full technicolour which is a benefit really.