Second Captains Part II

Thought Ken's trolling game was weak yesterday.

I enjoyed Paul Flynn asking "have you read the rule book?". That backfired when Oisin answered "yes". It was weird hearing the raised voice from Oisin. Such BS from Paul Flynn though and rightly Oisin called him out on it.

Pillar Caffrey was also saying similar stuff, probably worse as he was saying that everyone he spoke to was saying it was a great hit. He was basically laughed at and told that just wasn't right at all

surely there is a Nobel prize to be awarded to Oisin for not being online? Pretty disgusting he wasn’t applauded by the other contributors. He seems to think he deserves it.

I thought that part of the conversation was a shitshow to be honest. Paul Flynn has a point on the abuse of amateur players (and referees) which is getting way too close to the bone. I understand philly mcmahon was abused about his brother and Da dying on Twitter. Dublin fans are no shrinking violets themselves when it comes to online abuse.

but anyway paul flynn got his point across badly and Oisin went in like John small did.

shoulder charge a guy while observing a duty of care towards him. I don’t think that makes any sense outside of a rule book.

because any time you physically monster someone legally (which a shoulder amounts to) you can’t do it in a way that is mindful to the safety of an opponent. You can write those words down in a rulebook but they don’t make any sense.

a shoulder to a head is illegal within the rules so that’s nothing to do with a duty of care. I don’t understand how I can shoulder or be shouldered while a duty of care is being observed. Suppose I am fairly shouldered but still get my shoulder dislocated.... did the opponent observe a duty of care? Talking about a duty of care is rulebook nonsense talk.

that was ridiculous, it should be oisin asking paul has he read the rule book and seen the bit about duty of care.

it made no sense paul asking oisin and when he said yes, passing it as off 'yerra you must have been the only one to read it'. in paul's head everybody is winging it and nobody has any real idea of the rules

Again, It’s set out within the rules that contact with the head (in any attempted tackle) is not allowed within the rules so I don’t get the tacked on “duty of care to an opponent” when as you put it you’re “thundering into them with a shoulder”.

you can’t thunder into someone with a shoulder while observing a duty of care. Its laughable.

if you actually want to go deeper into the rules, a shoulder charge isn’t really legal at all. The scope with which shoulder charges are legal as follows...

• If contact is made to opponent’s head
• If opponent has no opportunity to protect himself
• If contact/impact is excessive or causes injury
• If the elbow/forearm/hurley is part of the contact
• If the player making contact jumps or has two feet off the ground
• If the player making contact had a realistic alternative by way of challenging opponent
• The direction and distance covered by the player who makes contact

So effectively the scope is so limited that Oisin citing the rulebook is virtually meaningless. The rulebook is ridiculous.

if matches were refereed strictly by the rulebook there would be a free every couple of seconds.

He really, really wasn't. I didn't see any media outlet aside from anonymous twitter users or possibly Joe or one of those sites post anything that suggested he elbowed him. Any commentary I saw from verified media accounts were similar to what Oisin said, which is that if you go in like that the onus is on you to ensure you get it right, wrong and you are off which is perfectly fair.

GAA needs to adapt the same rule as that in NFL with regards to a defenceless receiver. If a player cannot protect himself against the hit then it should be a straight red regardless of whether they connect with the shoulder. Its far too high risk an action to allow it, particularly with the size and strength of players now. No issue with two players running side by side for a ball and delivering a shoulder but lining up someone who is about to turn into a shoulder should be a straight red. There is no safe way to allow that sort of hit anymore, it carries way too much risk. There is no way any amateur player should have their jaw broken, there is no argument against it IMO. Its about time the GAA moved with the times as well in terms of discipline, there won't be any action taken against Small and even if there was we all know they'd appeal it and appeal it until he got away with it, that needs to stop both at inter county and at club level. Foul play has to have some punishment.

Lads, I'm no Dub but I think maybe a little harsh here on Paul Flynn. He reflects an attitude where putting big hits in exists. He was just honest about it. Sure even Oisin was lauding big Mayo hits moments before he got all excited.

If there's a culture and appreciation of big hits then lads are going to get hurt. Not all big hits are going to be perfectly timed regardless of how serious some lad takes his duty of care.

Overall, I think Flynn was very complimentary of Mayo and where they take you on the field. Interesting insight. Quite clearly a guy who has immeasurable respect for Mayo.

Anti dub bias exists. I’m from kildare. A lot of gaa fans have been utterly utterly obsessed with Dublin being beaten….by anyone ..not even their own county.

Oisin is “not online” so he might not be aware of it but have a read of Ewan Mackenna’s Twitter account and the replies to it and try telling me with a straight face that Dublin is just another county.

There’s no anti Dublin bias on the sunday game but generally among gaa supporters, please don’t tell me anyone believes there isn’t any anti Dublin bias. It’s been going for half a century FFS.

Flynn was directly accusing the analysts on the Sunday Game and others in the media of it. Flynn made it seem like the whole Irish media and pundits were out to get Small which is 100% bullshit and easily disproven, the only image I saw posted of Small that hinted he'd led with the elbow was not posted by anyone prominent and I didn't see a single verified account suggest it, Flynn clearly went out of his way on twitter to find it or much more likely, saw a few screenshots in a Dub WhatsApp group and parroted it out without thought. Plenty of GAA fans wanted Dublin to get beaten, I sincerely doubt anymore than a very small minority are 'utterly utterly obsessed'. You'll find the same is true of any dominant sports team, people like an underdog and neutrals are bound to shout for them. Thats not bias.

As for Ewan McKenna, Seriously? He has been irrelevant for years and I'm surprised anyone is still reading the nonsense he trots out on twitter. He's no longer writing for any decent media company that I am aware of, his opinions are about as relevant as Gemma O' Doherty at this stage.

BOMBAZO!

Or the dominance of Dublin trend in the GAA forum. Proudly going around in circles since 2019.

You'd swear with how people have reacted that Small put McLoughlin in hospital

#justiceforsmall

Your trolling game is weak.

Officially I will always say my favourite thing about Second Captains is Ken talking about soccer.

But the truth is it's Ken talking about any other sport.

You get the fish and chips and then you eat the fish and chips. Nobody had any soup for starters, nobody had any pudding to finish.

Love it.

No credibility after his disastrous dabble in management.