Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

"Being treated" for symptoms just means that they have symptoms tbh

Thats why the other part of that statement was 11% were asymptomatic. They will treat everyone, even if they dont "need" treatment. If you have any symptoms and are in hospital (for other reasons) you will get "treatment".

Incredibly dishonest reporting.

Yeah my thinking also but I am certainly no expert….I suppose you still need for it travelling, but no really point in asking bars, etc to do work in 3/4 weeks when we might have like 92/93% fully vaccinated…

You can't state that without knowing a more detailed breakdown, specifically age ranges. It's a population estimate based on cases the past few weeks being mainly in the 45 and under age range. It takes time for covid to spread into older age groups. Just because based on 1000 cases in the 0-45 age group and half are vaccinated and half are unvaccinated we end up with X and Y hospitalized, does not mean the same rates would apply in 500 vaccinated people aged 65 and over (figures made up, just to give an example) And it's only now that the incidence rate in those aged 65+ is rising.

Was the 3 months down to how long it took to get X amount of positive cases in the trial or just a fixed time? You would have to imagine if cases were lower during the trial compared to now, it wouldn't take 3 months to achieve the required number of infections.

The 62% of totally unvaccinated people in ICU they are coming from a small pool of the population. There are less than 10% of adults totally unvaccinated, so that is 376k people.

Out of these 376k people, how many people left can go in ICU ? There is probably a high number of them that already had covid and built a partial immunity, some of them will never get more than mild symptoms... Do you think that the pool is big enough so that the numbers can continue growing or is it possible that all the easy targets (unvaccinated + underlying conditions + a lot of contacts) have already been infected and gone to ICU and that the vaccine will slow down naturally in this group ?

By the look of things, Electric picnic is not going ahead in 2022 either alone with Dublin marathon. Joke of a country.

To be fair, I don’t think it is as straightforward as that. People can be in ICU for many weeks, if not months. We would need to know how long people have been in ICU. They could have caught Covid several weeks or months ago before they were entitled to a vaccination.

Where did you see that?

It's a great country.

It depends on your definition of "adequately". It is reducing infection enough if it guarantees that we don't have exponential increases and that the numbers in hospitals don't go in the thousands. This is why I am mentioning the size of the pool. If your pool is small enough that it is unlikely to have more than 200 people in ICU at the same time, then we can live with it and get back to our lives.

For a year, we have been putting restrictions to avoid exponential increases that would lead to saturation of the health system in a few weeks. We are beyond that, the pool is small, the increase speed is manageable. What is the new goal of restrictions ? Keeping numbers in ICU under 70 ? under 100 ? Why ?

As a society, if everybody has a vaccine 50% efficient, it is enough to keep things under control. I was reading that the AZ protection goes down from 68% to 61% after several months: that is not a big issue. Don't believe that your hepatitis vaccines are as effective years after you did them as 2 weeks after. But it is good enough to protect the society.

As an individual, if you want to have more protection, get a booster, especially if you are vulnerable.

I heard the 16th January has also been cancelled.

Going straight from the 15th to 17th.

Oh we can paste photos in new boards.ie :)

I'm basing "adequate" on overall effectiveness, and particularly the increased risk of symptomatic cases x days post vaccination, particularly for more at-risk age groups (from the paper above)

No, it is a super-spreader event. Unless Varadkar or MM attends it in person, then AG can justify it.

1818 new cases, 52 in ICU.