Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

You'd think at this stage of our vaccination programme, there'd be good news left right and centre but it's all pessimism from the media, the govt. and regular folk.

Disheartening :(

The UK has 6739 in hospital. 909 in ICU.

They have 13.6 times the population we have.

So dividing by 13.6 you get 496 in hospital. 67 in ICU.

Our figs today.

244 in hospital. 52 in ICU.

Given they have less vaccinated I think our remaining restrictions aren't needed.

On the deletion, save it as a draft , then delete the draft by going into your profile . Otherwise that quote will come back again and again...

I heard he's deliberately going around coughing on people to make them sick so he gets to stay on the telly.

The way I see it theyll open up the remaining industries that are closed plus a phased return to offices over September October keeping Masks and social distancing in place possibly into the new year. Personal responsibilty seems to be the new buzzwords, that will fail miserably as usual and there just hoping the vaccines and booster program keeps everything from going horribly off the rails in the meantime.

Shin

I know this post is from about 5 hours ago but I felt I needed to highlight something that hasn't been yet.

Just because 89% of hospital cases have symptoms doesn't mean they are being treated for Covid. If someone if hospital for whatever reason and happens to have covid and there only covid symptom is a bit of a cough or a runny nose they're in the 89%. The HSE won't tell is how many are actually being treated for Covid. They released it this way knowing people would assume 89% are being treated for Covid but its not true and was intentionally misleading.

If they can tell us how many have symptoms they can just as easy tell us how many are being treated for Covid.

For those that have thanked this post I advise that you read the study critically yourselves and ask these questions ...

What was the main difference between vaccine tollout in the UK versus Ireland ? ( vaccines, dose intervals) .

Why is this poster picking one particular aspect of one statistical graph with no reference thereafter to either the rest of the data on that graph ( ie differing outcomes for those in the 18 to 34 age group) the multiple pages of the study , that clearly don't suit his agenda ?

The takeaway from this study is as we have already heard that VE starts to wane at 4 to 5 months after 2nd dose but still prevents serious disease and death in the vast majority of those immunised .

One important factor that most of these studies do not measure is memory b cells and t cell immunity .

It is very likely that even a mild or asymptomatic infection along with vaccination may trigger long lasting immunity to the virus and future variants , never mind boosters . Look at the graph on the same page as the poster has quoted with data from those vaccinated with a prior infection . Very interesting.

It's not clear that will happen at all, as we rapidly draw closer to 90% of adults. Part of the assumption in that is that the relationship between cases and ICU rates will stay the same. For full population comparison they are only at 61% whereas we are at 64% and rising.

As I said " going by " his " maths " ! Never my strong point

But I do think at the rate we are going we will hit 100 or over in ICU before we come out of this wave .

Fair enough . Have to say I was so busy looking at the study to see where you had found the 2 month waning that that got missed, apologies so .

Edit have reread your post again and can't find encouragement for vaccination really there , so I think you need to clarify that .

On the graph there is obviously going to be more risk of breakthrough infection for the oldest in the group which will skew the data for the younger ones .

Don't know why they didn't just keep it separate for each age group. That would make a lot more sense , no conflation.

No , it is not obvious that without vaccination , asymptomatic infection will provide immunity for variants, but with vaccination has been shown to be the most effective .

There has been a study published a while ago that does indeed show that vaccination in those previously infected does appear to provide very long lasting immunity . Not a reason to go out and become infected but would be of hope to those concerned about a possible mild breakthrough infection post vaccination .

I am also just pointing out the fact that this UK study among others still does not take into account long term immunity of tcells and memory b cells . Until they do along with antibodies , we will all be anxiously waiting and wondering to see what happens next .

Good read though , thank you for posting .