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Aphantasia, can you see mental images?

  • 19-08-2021 8:32am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,190 ✭✭✭✭


    People like myself with Aphantasia see no images. We have a blind minds eye. I close my eyes & all I ever see is black. No images at all. When I read a book I have no mental picture of characters etc. I'm wondering what percentage of Boardies have a blind minds eye?


    My wife is the complete opposite. She sees very vivid pictures & videos all the time. in her head all the time. She has Hyphantasia

    Aphantasia, can you see mental images? 143 votes

    1. I see no mental pictures
    20%
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    2. I see weak blury mental pictures
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    3. I see vivid mental pictures
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    4. I only see black & white mental pictures
    3%
    10-10-20SporeShakey_jakeVowel MovementPMBC 5 votes
    5. I see colour mental pictures
    34%
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,190 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    1. I see no mental pictures

    It's disappointing to see you can only chose one option



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,873 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    3. I see vivid mental pictures

    I'm intrigued OP.

    How does it actually work?

    When I'm reading, for instance, I always visualise what is being described - the way buildings look,the environment etc, etc, how characters look, everything basically - and it's always a bit of a headfck if I watch an adaptation of something that I've previously read, because what I see on screen doesn't tally with what I've seen in my head. I can't imagine reading without being able to imagine, as it were.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,059 ✭✭✭Brian201888


    1. I see no mental pictures

    I'm the same as you OP, can't picture things or people in my head. It's very hard to describe really



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭French Toast


    3. I see vivid mental pictures

    Interesting. Never heard of any such thing before.


    Chose the option for vivid images as I know I'm a bit of a Walter Mitty type.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    1. I see no mental pictures

    Thanks sleeper. Another thing wrong with me.

    Wait . What . So other people see things when they think about it. Like having a picture in front of them

    Wow ,I never knew



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,479 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Do you put complex problems in the back of my mind to work on them and pull them up later resolved ? I thought everyone done this but apparently most don’t. (Also 3).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,190 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    1. I see no mental pictures

    I'm mid 50s & only really found out now. All this time I assumed I was thinking & imagining the same way as everyone else. Although I do remember as a child my mum doing spellings with me. I wasn't doing well & she was loosing her patience. "Close your eyes & picture the word" she says. I reply saying the word isn't there. "Open your eyes. Look at the TV. Close your eyes & picture the TV". It's not there I replied & she replied with a wallop for telling lies. :) That would be 45 years ago. I can describe the TV. Wooden cabinet, 7 black buttons for 7 channels (even though we only had 3 or 4 channels at the time) & another button slightly lower was the bower button. Rabbit ears on top. I haven't seen that TV since the early 80s. I can't see it in my head. If I try really hard I might be able to make out the square shape of it but I have to chase it. Sort of like a word on the tip of your tongue that you can never quite get. I remember data I don't remember a picture of it.


    My wife was freaked. Almost 30 years married & I never told her that all I see is darkness when I close my eyes. From my point of view she never told me she could see full blown movies in her head! It really has brought it home to me how we assume all our perceptions are the same, when in fact what goes on in our head can be very different to our friends



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,261 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    1. I see no mental pictures

    Nope, and I only found out about this a little over a year ago. I always found it annoying in TV shows when people would have flashbacks and stuff and would actually see things.

    I remember saying to a friend that it's nonsense because that doesn't happen, she said it does and we had a bit of back and forth. After some digging into it and a chat with a Doctor it turns out it's more normal for people to see things, even vaguely when they close their eyes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,069 ✭✭✭sporina


    3. I see vivid mental pictures

    never heard of it.. wow - hands up who googled this upon reading? me!

    I am the opposite..

    i have such a photographic memory..

    @Sleeper12 Did this affect your learning ability when younger?

    Like, when I was doing exams, I could mentally picture my notes (although for the info to go into my head, I would have to understand it)..

    In any event, it felt like a magical power lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭Vowel Movement


    4. I only see black & white mental pictures

    I can but only in black and white and sort of blurry looking



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭Celmullet


    1. I see no mental pictures

    I found out about a year ago when a meme was going around that other people saw pictures and had full-blown conversations with themselves. Like Sonics2k I thought that when they had people talking to themselves in movies it was just to progress the scene but not that people did that in real life.

    It made me wonder if it is an extroverted thing, as I am an extrovert and rely on a lot of outside simulation. Sitting in silence is just boring.



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    5. I see colour mental pictures

    I close my eyes and I see black and sort of fuzziness because there is nothing but black and fuzziness. It's a physical thing. However I imagine images if I want to. For example if I'm following a guided meditation then I can see all the pieces, walking by the sea or in a forest etc.

    I can imagine how a certain dress would look on me or a hairstyle. All sorts of things. It is an active thing though. Ehm like I'm deciding to rather than it being spontaneous.

    In saying that I have odd images have flashed through my mind completely out of the blue. They are memories, or scenes from a dream, or...I don't know really. Yeah. I need to think about this.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    5. I see colour mental pictures

    Oddly enough I have never not believed we all perceive the world differently both externally and internally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭pelliven


    1. I see no mental pictures

    I only heard about this recently while listening to a podcast. I was a bit shocked to find out people saw images while eyes were closed. Only see darkness myself.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    5. I see colour mental pictures

    Can you imagine images?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭DavyD_83


    Hmm, I'm definitely somewhere on this spectrum I'd say. But like others I've never really seen a clear description of what is normal or any other experiences.

    I kinda see/recall things in my brain rather than in my eyes, which it sounds like others can do.

    I'll have a read of the articles, very curious now.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    3. I see vivid mental pictures

    Yeah that's such a disappointment for me too. But sometimes I'll see a trailer for a film and before I even know what it is or what it's about, just from the scenery or the characters alone, I'm able to say 'I read the book!!'. That is so satisfying and so impressive that the author did such a great job of their descriptions that the images were obviously the same for most readers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,592 ✭✭✭✭Mam of 4


    3. I see vivid mental pictures

    This !

    I always thought that everyone did this tbh , visualising the story in your head as your reading the book , watching the story unfold with the characters and different settings , just like it was a film .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭pelliven


    1. I see no mental pictures

    I can safely say that i dont know anymore. Never really thought about it untill the last week or so. I think its more a memory and not an image. Dont really have/ remember visual dreams either.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    3. I see vivid mental pictures

    Yeah I see what I'm reading like a film in my head too mam.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭wench


    1. I see no mental pictures

    I've never been able to see mental images, but just thought it was normal. Heard about aphantasia a couple of years back, and it's made things make more sense.

    When people would say "picture a tree", I thought they just meant to think about a tree, and what it looks like. I didn't realise they could actually see it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,873 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    3. I see vivid mental pictures


    It's not quite seeing things as such. Not in the same way as seeing something in front of your eyes, more a case of being able to visualise something. When I close my eyes I see black, obviously, but if someone said visualise a river or a lake I don't literally see that river or that lake, but I also would picture it with my minds eye. I appreciate that it's hard to explain!

    And your eyes don't necessarily have to be closed either. Recollections can be like running a film in your head or seeing snapshots of a place or a time etc. I also often can remember things like the quality of the light, or the noise or the smells of a memory as well as just the visuals.

    I had heard about the phenomenon before, that some people couldn't do that. Which does seem incredible to me, no offence! So if someone told you to imagine a red chair, you wouldn't automatically picture it or the face of one of your friends? I have to say I'm surprised at the amount of people who are saying they can't visualise something mentally at all in the poll. Surely to be able to picture absolutely nothing must be pretty rare.

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    5. I see colour mental pictures

    Yes that's how it is for me. I sleep black when I close my eyes but can visualise pictures and all sorts of things.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    5. I see colour mental pictures

    I can be extroverted, we are too complex to be simply one way or the other I feel, and I'm able to sit in silence, talk to myself, visualise, and all that jazz.

    So it really is dependent on the individual.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    5. I see colour mental pictures

    Can you explain this a little more?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,190 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    1. I see no mental pictures

    I have a pretty active inner voice or monologue. It is me, my mind but it uses expressions or sayings that have never passed my own lips. I find that entertaining at times. The inner monologue helps me problem solve. Some people have absolutely no inner monologue. It's totally silent in their head /mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Spore


    4. I only see black & white mental pictures

    I can 'see' pretty photo-realistic images but the colours are quite muted, not quite black and white but not exactly technicolour. Also I don't really see the whole picture but rather a scan of the parts of the image. It's weird. But on a side note I can hear music perfectly. Note for note. And not only that I can compose in my head, if I don't like a part of a composition I can 'play' a different instrument over it. It's a killer though if I have to hear a song I don't like and it sticks in my head. When I worked a panto years ago it nearly mentally destroyed me. Those songs are still stuck in my head. Along with Dustin the bollix Turkey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,190 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    1. I see no mental pictures

    I can't hear music in my mind. I can't summon it up might be a better way to explain it. Even my favourite songs that I've listened to for decades, I can't play them in my mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Spore


    4. I only see black & white mental pictures

    I find that fascinating, I mean, how do you recall people's faces? Or if you think back to a film you saw, how does your brain process that? Does it simply categorise things? Like in your example of a tree, is your brain thinking 'tree... goes with nature' etc. but no image? Do you hear a voice rather than 'see' an image?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,069 ✭✭✭sporina


    3. I see vivid mental pictures

    for those of you who say you don't have mental images - does that mean that you can't see your loved ones in your mind? like, if your away from them and you miss them.. and when you think about them, can you seem them in your mind or not?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭franciscanpunk


    1-2

    I cant see any pictures but i can remember things ive seen before and use them if that makes sense. If u asked me to close my eyes n picture my dad i couldnt like imagine him it is just pure black but i can think of the last time i looked at photo of him n what he looks like or think back to a recent time i saw him, try remember what he was doing\wearing n try to remember in more detail and build it.

    my mind has a good recall facility but little to creative ability.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,495 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    5. I see colour mental pictures

    A clockwork orange was the only film that improved what the book put in my head



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,190 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    1. I see no mental pictures

    I can't picture anyone. Wife, kids, etc. If I look at my wife and then close my eyes I can't summon an image of her. I remember her on our wedding day 30 years ago. Not an image of any kind. It's data that I'm recalling. Colour of flowers in her hair, shape of dress etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,541 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    1. I see no mental pictures

    The Simpsons did an episode on this, Homer and Lisa in the deprivation tanks. I'm definitely more Homer than Lisa.

    Although I'm actually shocked the other way, it would appear plenty of people have photographic memories. Which I always thought was a rare phenomenon not the norm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,138 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    5. I see colour mental pictures

    I see vivid, full colour mental pictures. If someone askes me where something is, I literally pull up a picture of the room or place in my mind, see where the item is, and describe it to them. It's not quite Hannibal Lecter drawing the Florence skyline, but it's usually a pretty accurate picture, and I hardly ever lose things because I have a visual mental catalogue of where everything is (obviously unless someone else moves it unbeknown to me). I've a very good sense of direction, and can retrace my steps based on visual waypoints. I can "see" a map in my mind of the journey I've taken, even if I've never seen an actual map of it.

    I can also play music and sounds vividly in my mind.

    I have an absolutely awful memory for names. Appallingly, embarrassingly bad. If someone tells me their name, no matter how hard I try, I can't remember it. Even a few minutes after, I can play the conversation back in my mind, and the words leading up to them saying their name will be vividly clear, but then there'll be a gap when they say their actual name, and then I'll be able to vividly remember the words after it. I have to use mnemonics to remember names. It helps a bit if I already know someone else with the same name. When I'm trying to remember the new person's name, I'll associate them with the other person I already know, and then when recalling their name, I have to go through the process of recalling that association. I'm pretty bad at remembering numbers and dates too. I only know 3 phone numbers (including my own, and the now disconnected numbers of the house I grew up in), and I can't remember my wedding date. Even my children's birthdates, I have to think hard about.

    But if I see a name written down, I can recall it by pulling up the picture and reading it in my mind.

    I can design things in my mind too. I studied fine art painting and worked as a web designer for years, and I can fully visualise anything I want to create before I've begun making it. I can look at an empty room and accurately imagine what it will look like furnished or painted, or I can move exiting furniture or fittings around in my mind to rearrange a room. I also have a very active and vivid inner monologue. I can even change its accent.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭mct1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,541 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    1. I see no mental pictures

    That's a photographic memory. That is definitely not the norm. I'd assume you have a MENSA level IQ.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,138 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    5. I see colour mental pictures

    I've never actually told anyone this before, but when I was 3 years old, I had to attend the CRC in Dublin for some physiotherapy on my leg. Seemingly a psychologist there asked my mother if they could do an IQ test - I'm not sure why. I still have the letter with the results. It says my IQ was in "the very superior range of the Stanford-Binet scale". They didn't give a number. I know I'm relatively smart, because I'm good at learning and problem solving, but I definitely don't feel like I'm "very superior", and I've met a lot of people much smarter than me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    5. I see colour mental pictures

    Annoys me that the poll is randomly distributed rather than going from "Nothing at all" to "Vivid, photographic memory". :D

    I'd probably be in the "I see colour mental pictures" group. I can formulate images in my mind, when I'm working through a problem, I can visualise it in moving parts and work through it. I can bring up memories; static and "moving" and see the people in them and the colours. But I can't really "examine" any of it. It's more like looking at a photo or a video that someone is holding 2 feet away. I can see all the major elements, I can put myself in the moment. But the only fine details I can see are the general colour scheme, and the looks on people's faces.

    No way in hell I can tell you what someone was wearing, or what items were on the shelf behind them. But that doesn't surprise me. I can literally walk away from a conversation with someone and I can't tell you what they were wearing. These are details I just do not see, even in real-time, unless they really stand out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,541 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    1. I see no mental pictures

    Probably just relative to the company you keep. If you're extremely intellectual then you'll be drawn to like minded people. So maybe in that circle you don't see yourself as exceptional.

    Go to your local boozer for a premier league match one Sunday and see how you feel there 😀



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    5. I see colour mental pictures

    +1

    I can recall music in very fine detail. After a good few listens of course, but I can replay the entire song, every instrument, every nuance and squeak, inside my head nearly as loud as if it was playing from a speaker beside me.

    If I was suddenly not able to do this, would feel like a huge loss, like losing sight or hearing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,832 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    OP, have you tried loads of different drugs to see if they help? What about the oul' LSD. The professor who invented it fell off his bike the first time he used it due to whatever he was seeing in his head.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭donspeekinglesh


    1. I see no mental pictures

    Help? Why would I want to see/hear things in my head? That sounds awful.


    I'm fully aphantasic - I have no internal senses at all. No visual/audio/taste/tactile (I'm told people can remember what hugs feel like!?😲).

    I have an internal monologue, but's a single monotone voice. I've never heard a song in my head or another voice (I find those memes where you're expected to read in Morgan Freeman's voice, or whoever, bizarre). Even for my favourite songs I'd struggle to remember more than a line or two of the lyrics, and rarely remember the tune.

    My memories are a list of facts, nothing more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,832 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    You might just be, to use the professional clinical term, a mentaller? 😋









    (obviously said tongue-in-cheek)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,541 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    1. I see no mental pictures

    I voted no mental images because I definitely don't see a photo of something. I can list out everything in the image in my head, which outlines the form of the horse and the background etc. But it's not a stock photo.

    Id like a stock photo, that would be pretty cool. A song can take me back to moments in my life. Give me goose bumbs and bring emotions to the forefront. But it would never transport me back to the exaxt moment like that film 'The butterfly effect'. Again though I think that would be an awesome ability to have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,138 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    5. I see colour mental pictures

    Yeah I do this. When I worked as a web developer, I could spend a day actively trying to figure out a complex coding problem, with no success. I'd go home, put it out of my mind, go to bed and wake up first thing the next morning with the solution vividly in my mind, as if someone else worked on it when I was asleep and just handed it to me. This used to happen a lot. Now, I'm sure there were plenty of times when the "solution" didn't actually work (plenty of times it did, though), but even in those situations, my brain was obviously working on it in the background.

    Also, switching off my brain is something I'm pretty good at, although it's a skill I had to learn and develop. I had awful trouble sleeping as a kid, and I used to tell my mother that it was because "my brain wouldn't stop talking to me". But over the past 10 years or so, I've developed a skill where I can go to bed and completely switch off my mind - not matter what stressful things are going on in my life. Ironically, it takes a conscious effort, but I can just let thoughts drift into my mind, and then they drift out, I don't allow myself to dwell on them, I just watch them float past, and I drop off to sleep easily.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭donspeekinglesh


    1. I see no mental pictures

    It's possible. My mother didn't have me tested.


    I also might have SDAM (Severely Deficient Autobiographical Memory), in that I have no emotional connection to my memories. They're just things that happened (that I have a list of facts about). I feel as connected to them as if they were as story someone else told me.


    Oh, and I don't get the idea of things like sights/sounds/smells triggering memories. That's just weird to me.



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    3. I see vivid mental pictures

    I'm quite like Gregor, in that if I deliberately place something somewhere I can see it perfectly in my mind. So if I had to ask someone to retrieve it for me, I can see exactly where it is with total clarity and send the person perfect directions. But I have to have consciously placed it there. Most things, like keys etc. I just sorta dispose of in a random spot without even thinking about it and then I'm never sure where I left them.

    Another thing is, in college for example, when I was doing exams, if I got a bit stuck on something, I could bring to memory my pages of notes and see my own words in my mind to perfection. Exactly which page I wrote them on and see the exact sentence I needed. But again this only worked if I very consciously studied those notes over and over. If I just read through them once , I wouldn't be able to do that.

    Or if I'm reading a book and I think something like 'hang on wasn't this character supposed to work in a factory', I can find the page that was written on easily because I can just picture how far into the book it was and more importantly whether it was on a left or right page and how far down the page.

    I've never had my IQ tested but I think I'm being very kind to myself by saying I'm average intelligence at best.



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    I close my eyes and I see black...

    Sometimes I can see blurry outlines, but if I focus on them, they move around a lot then they disappear...

    I can remember what things look like though, as if it's constructed elsewhere in my head but not being projected visually when I have my eyes closed...

    I always found if I read a good book, it would seep into my dreams and visuals would be produced there, sort of a pseudo lucid dream

    I feel like I'm missing out not being able to close my eyes and see things clearly, obviously my brain power is being utilised elsewhere (probably in the frustration of how boards has become since the "upgrade")...

    cool topic though, never though people had different perceptions...

    I also read the title as "Aphganistan" and was coming in to ridicule over the spelling

    forgot to add... I did psychedelics a hand full of times, which would produce a type of synathasia effect if I closed my eyes, but that's probably as dramatic as it got... my off the wall visuals are definitely during dreams



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,541 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    1. I see no mental pictures

    I think maybe this all that's happening with reference to the average person. Some people's memories are compiled as an image and others are a list.

    As you say you'd need to have studied/revised the info and if that was the case your memory pulled up an image of the info, mine would just pull up a list of the info.

    MENSA level photographic memory is something different. It's the ability to look at things once or read something once and be able to recall it completely in the future.



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