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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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    #12152
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117779861#Comment_117779861

    It's been a theory for a while now that Influenza is re-seeded globally from East and South-East Asia annually. The biggest impact on spread over the last 18 months is probably the reduction in international travel. This can be evidenced by the fact that New Zealand did not have a significant flu season last year despite the lack of local restrictions.

    Global travel is still vastly reduced and probably will be for for while so we *should* have a mild season but impossible to say for sure.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/that-flu-you-caught-it-ca/#




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    #12153
    is_that_so
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117780223#Comment_117780223

    Any foresight would have been knocked on the head by the pessimistic models, where eyes would surely have been very strongly drawn. It strikes that the decision was made there and teen to defer things out till September and the end of the programme. The cover of getting schools back was also a likely factor in setting the schedule.



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    #12154
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117779331#Comment_117779331

    Its important not to diminish adverse reactions from vaccines, whose interests in this serving.

    The Aunt of a perfectly healthy twenty three year has said he nephew became ill after taking a vaccine, he got a very bad headache and then a brain bleed.

    We know these vaccines can cause blood clotting issues and this blood clotting is usually in the brain so its perfectly believable that this young man had a bad reaction.

    My own twenty two year old collapased after taking this vaccine, the pharmacist told her she was the fourth young person to collapase after taking the vaccine that day, she was one of the last to be given this vaccine, the young people were then told to register for the pfizer in the large vaccination centres.My daughter had already had covid and took this vaccine for one reason only and that was to be able to socialise withher friends.

    I have a huge issue with young people being rushed into taking these vaccines, ie coerced by having entry into restaurants etc forbidden to them. HUndreds of thousands of these young people have already had covid so how difficult would it be to offer antibody tests to them and if they have antibodies from covid in their system then give them a covid recovery cert without forcing them to take a vaccine.



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    #12155
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117779697#Comment_117779697

    Yes, the young people are leaving in their droves, they see no future here, no prospect of ever getting out of the family home, moving from college life in their bedrooms to work life in the same four walls. Having to travel to Belfast or the Uk or further afield to be able to attend a gig.


    Unless you are a GAA fan and many people couldnt care less about the GAA there is no prospect of any real return to your outlets, 40,000 to a GAA match this weekend,doesnt that say it all.



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    #12156
    Goldengirl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117779153#Comment_117779153

    And you KNOW this , how ?

    Lol, I know what you are saying you think you know but you guys would not believe unless you had your face pressed up against an ICU cubicle door !

    I know it to be true, that's why I bothered to write the post .

    Take it or leave it , the people in ICU are being treated with a heck more than cough medicine and paracetamol .



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    #12157
    timmyntc
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117780433#Comment_117780433

    The stat given was that 89% of cases in hospital were being treated for covid symptoms.

    And that 11% were asymptomatic. Basically it just means that of all the people who tested positive for covid in hospital, 89% had symptoms and were being treated - NOT that they were admitted for their covid symptoms. ICU has nothing to do with it, you brought that up, not me. The original release from HSE said hospital cases, not ICU cases.

    What it means is that 1) not all people who have covid in hospital are actually in hospital specifically for covid

    and from point 1) above we get 2) the actual number of patients in hospital for covid, is much lower than the number of covid hospital patients.



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    #12158
    aidoh
    Registered Users Posts: 620 ✭✭✭aidoh


    People can twist themselves up into a pedantic mess all they want, arguing that we don't yet know the specifics of exactly which restrictive measures will remain in place for the next year.

    It doesn't change the fact that we've today all been told by the leader of our country that "restrictions" will remain with us well into 2022. It doesn't matter exactly what the restrictions are. He's clearly telling us not to expect much of a change.

    That's absolutely sh1t news and people are right to be angry and disheartened.

    I don't understand the reflex of the extreme pedants on this forum who constantly downplay the impact of this stuff every single time we get an announcement such as this.

    A few more weeks etc.



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    #12159
    SheepsClothing
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117780508#Comment_117780508

    Are we actually doing these "with" and "for" word games again?

    And how could you possibly know that "the actual number of patients in hospital for covid, is much lower than the number of covid hospital patients" unless you had access to their medical files? So, do you?



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    #12160
    Goldengirl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117780508#Comment_117780508

    I brought up ICU because I work in ICU .

    I know that on the Covid ward where I work that the nurses are flat out with the patients they have there whether they are admitted with Covid or something else and test positive .

    Anybody not ill who cannot leave hospital for whatever reason would be few and far between .

    But don't take my word on it .

    I have posted in good faith here .

    You obviously know more than staff looking after these patients.

    Do you work in a hospital or are you psychic?



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    #12161
    firemansam4
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117780249#Comment_117780249

    The jury is not still out on how effective the vaccines are.

    Trials have been carried out which clearly show how effective they are. You only have to look at the numbers in ICU here who are not vaccinated compared to the total vaccinated population to see they are making a huge difference here.


    If you are going to make claims about how they are being proven to be in ineffective to vulnerable people in Israel, at least back up your asertions with some credible links.



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    #12162
    godzilla1989
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117780529#Comment_117780529

    Yeah that's the crux of it

    Vaccination program is finished at the end of September and restrictions remain.

    So that leads us to the conclusion that the vaccination program failed, as it couldn't bring us back to normal this year.



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    #12163
    aidoh
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117780578#Comment_117780578

    Well I mean, if we can't get back to normality immediately after a mass vaccination program, then we're certainly not going to be let loose when the vaccine efficacy drastically wanes so in that sense, the vax programme could ne never ending.

    Nice little get off the hook clause for MM.



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    #12164
    Goldengirl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117779120#Comment_117779120

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    Post edited by Goldengirl on


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    #12165
    godzilla1989
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117780573#Comment_117780573

    Those trials are in the past with an old variant, in the present Delta is infecting and killing fully vaccinated people which didn't happen in the trials. Trials are of no relevance today, they are out of date

    A huge difference?

    4.5% of cases went to hospital in winter 2020 with no vaccine's, 1.5-2% of cases in fully vaccinated are now going to hospital, it's just blunted the threat, it's still there and the virus is way more contagious, so we will still be looking at many people in hospital this winter from covid, hence why we will still have restrictions when we are all nearly vaccinated.

    Those restrictions are not staying for the fun of it, they have to keep cases low, restrictions keep cases low

    Let cases get high and you'll have hospitals full of vaccinated people.



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    #12166
    godzilla1989
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117780631#Comment_117780631

    Exactly

    We got played

    Again



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    #12167
    godzilla1989
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117780658#Comment_117780658

    He got a headache after an hour and why is that impossible?

    His case is very similar to this one

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33928772/



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    #12168
    Goldengirl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117780729#Comment_117780729

    One big difference there , look at the timing .

    I would wait to hear all the details including the coroners report .

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    #12169
    timmyntc
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117780568#Comment_117780568

    Mad that people still deny the misleading statistics of admittance with covid and for covid.

    Hospital acquired infection and testing positive upon admittance (but not admitted for covid reasons) are all very real and documented. Its not a conspiracy its widely acknowledged as truth. did you miss the memo?

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117780570#Comment_117780570

    Again - you brought up ICU despite it having little to do with the situation.

    Put it this way - as more and more covid appears in the community, more people with broken bones and other ailments will be testing positive when they go to hospital - simply because the disease is more prevalent in the community. It doesnt mean that hospital admissions due to covid are skyrocketing, simply that sick people are also getting covid. The way stats are released to the public about this are deceitful and imply that loads of people are admitting to hospital for covid treatment, when in reality there is a large portion of that who would be going to hospital anyways, and just happened to also test positive.



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    #12170
    Goldengirl
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    For all those thinking social distancing and mask wearing is very restricted look at New Zealand , and only 20% vaccinated there .

    Seriously some people on here need to get a grip .



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    #12171
    godzilla1989
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117780804#Comment_117780804

    They are only in lockdown for a week

    We had months of that and much good it did.



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    #12172
    Goldengirl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117780788#Comment_117780788

    I think you may have some difficulty understanding so I will say it slowly...

    Patients with Covid in hospital include very sick patients in ICU..

    I told you already what the situation is , more than once now.

    You don't accept my word .

    You don't believe anything I or others say on the matter .

    You think it is all a conspiracy to keep you ignorant , when in fact that is your own choice . You have been given the information , you choose to disregard it or not believe it .

    Data protection precludes anymore details which may identify patients from being given by the HSE .

    You don't accept that either

    It's like talking to a wall, a rubber wall that just keeps bouncing back 🙄

    Am done with this .



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    #12173
    Turtwig
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117780249#Comment_117780249

    The jury is not out on whether the vaccines are effective. They're incredibly effective.



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    #12174
    Goldengirl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117780879#Comment_117780879

    Look again . They have been in lockdown since June . Jeez .



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    #12175
    aidoh
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117780804#Comment_117780804

    Lots of places are worse off than Ireland in all sorts of ways.

    So what? Most posters on here are Irish and live in Ireland.

    Just because it could be worse doesn't mean things are peachy here!



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    #12176
    timmyntc
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117780890#Comment_117780890

    "includes sick patients in ICU"

    Exactly - it includes them, it is not totally made up of them. Not even close. You seem to be completely ignorant of the statistics on covid in hospitals - the majority are not in ICU, and an amount of those people in hospital but not ICU with covid were admitted with something totally different.



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    #12177
    Wolf359f
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117780682#Comment_117780682

    Where does the 1.5-2% of fully vaccinated cases result in hospitalization come from?

    A 70+ year old unvaccinated person has a 30% chance of needing hospital treatment for Covid, so if only 1.5-2% of the same age group need treatment when fully vaccinated, that's a pretty damn good reduction. I can;t say that because I don't have the data. But you may have, seeing as how you know 1.5-2% of fully vaccinated people need hospital treatment.



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    #12178
    bucketybuck
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117780890#Comment_117780890

    Jesus christ, he made a really simple point and every time you respond you make it more clear that you misinterpreted it.



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    #12179
    godzilla1989
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117780892#Comment_117780892

    Why the restritions till 2022 then?

    Do the government not know they are incredibly effective?



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    #12180
    seamus
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    @taxiperson wrote:

    Its important not to diminish adverse reactions from vaccines.

    You're right. Adverse reactions that are appropriately reported & investigated. Uninformed rants from anti-vaxxers on facebook do not count as "reports of adverse reactions".

    Yes, the young people are leaving in their droves

    Ah yes, this one again. Along with the "suicides are through the roof" and "people are struggling to feed their families". Claims that we're experiencing extraordinary and damaging consequecnes on society without a shred of evidence, but they just feel like they must true, right?

    Where are all these young people going, in droves? Because they're not going to the USA, Canada or Australia, which make up 25% of our emigrants. And they're unlikely to be especially drawn to the UK, which is another 18%.

    What is this magical overseas utopia to which our young people are all fleeing in the middle of a pandemic? And where is the data to back it up?

    @aidoh wrote:

    we've today all been told by the leader of our country that "restrictions" will remain with us well into 2022

    We have? I must have missed that. Can you post your source for this? And just so we're clear, "restrictions" are things that block or inhibit our ability to carry on a normal life, and "well into 2022" I think we can all agree means at least March.



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    #12181
    Turtwig
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117781001#Comment_117781001

    The link between COVID cases and severe illness has been considerably weakened. The government are undoubtedly aware of this. Vaccines provided this. If we'd no vaccines right now we'd be utterly fcked.



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