Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Ah bless , some people have real problems too you know .

No its not peachy but it isn't as bad as some here would have you believe .

We are almost as fully vaccinated as we can be and hospital cases while rising are manageable.

While that is the case it can't be used as an excuse to keep restrictions other than maskwearing and reduced capacity indoors past Setember early October.

I don't believe in conspiracies against us so would wholeheartedly agree with outrage and rebellion if we were kept locked down in that scenario.

But if the numbers change and start to become unmanageable I would be the first to agree with keeping restrictions unfortunately, as it would directly affect me , where I work and in my family .

And I do understand that restrictions as they are affect many people adversely . We all have issues to deal , sad but true .

But this constant negativity on here is soul destroying , worse than any restrictions

This is not debate or discussion.

You want to see how that goes, head over to the Vaccine Megathread.

This is just one major Whingefest !

No every time I responded he misinterpreted it .

You've misinterpreted my posts and now his too - 😆

This proof would be severely flawed. If 100% of the population is vaccinated. 100% of all hospital cases would be vaccinated. It would be unreasonable to conclude from this the vaccines don't work.

Instead, consideration must be given to the disease incidence and age profile. Compare those with the corresponding profiles when there was no vaccine and see how the situation compares.

You are just trolling now.

You havent refuted anything I've said which is that the total number of patients in hospital with covid =/= the total number of patients admitted for covid

A person with broken bones, who happens to test positive will be recorded as a patient in hospital with covid. It's dishonest reporting - we know that at least 11% are totally asymptomatic, the other 89% can range from a cough or cold to needing oxygen or mechanical ventilation - but its very likely they are not all very sick (because majority aren't in ICU)

Way to go, New Zealand:

All of these patients are immunosupressed.

Nobody can get a transplant with a cough or a sniffle as they would inevitably become seriously ill and could compromise not only ther health but every other patient in the transplant unit .

All of these patients know this and have been on medications for so long and dialysis and would do anything to get their lives back to normal.

I would very much doubt that any who want a transplant or their families , would subscribe to the type of rant being spouted on that video .

" Tyranny " and " freedom " . Indeed .

We all know who is behind that and she is the biggest conspiracy loon in the country !

That's a fair cherrypicking of data there, given that the "10% of cases" figure was a month ago.

The reality is that without knowing the age profile of those in hospital, all of your calculations are wrong because they're based on assumptions:

1. Vaccination is evenly spread across all age groups.
2. Hospital admissions are evenly spread across all age groups.
3. Everyone admitted to hospital is admitted for severe covid

Which we know are wrong assumptions.

That is, someone in the 70+ age group who develops symptomatic covid while vaccinated is at a considerably higher risk of requiring hospitalisation than a 26 year old in the same scenario. The CHR is about 3-4% amongst the whole population, but it's 20-35% for people over 65.

Which means that even among the vaccinated older cohorts, we will see a higher incidence of hospitalisations. If it's only 9% for them, then that would be amazing.

But unfortunately we've had no age profile of hospital cases since May, so we're stuck.

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OK so. Rock solid data there. I'd say Paschal is sh1tting himself.

Just wait for Tony to come out of shadow again. Last year it has not happened well when he returned a day earlier.