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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    They stopped publishing it due to the hack. I'm assuming it's way down the list of priorities, but it is very annoying not having it.

    The 14-day epidemiology reports from the HPSC shine a clear enough light on the impact of vaccination without having to look at hospitalisations. 95% of all cases at the moment are in the under-65s.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Its rock solid to me, as I said if you were around any young students graduating this year you would know how many are planning to leave.

    And they are getting out as fast as they can before Gardai are put out at the airport to stop them leaving, nothing would shock me now as to the lengths the Government will go to to protect the shambles of a health service we have

    I really cant understand that you would be surprised by this, you are living in a complete bubble, not much has changed for you, you are still in full time employment so therefore scoffing at people worried about their livelihoods, worried about their mortgages,worried about rising costs.

    There is a serious mental health crisis in young people building up, do you realise there are no services available so the only help is "here is a prescription for anti depressants, off you go and pay the receptionist on the way out." At least my GP actually lets people into the surgery, other GPs have receptionists asking clients what their ailments are and dissuading them from visiting the surgery.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,050 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Unless they were rushed to hospital these were just faints a common reaction to needles of any sort and can affect anyone .

    If you are so concerned why not get your daughter to have a private blood test for antibody levels ?

    Then contact the Dept of Health and NIAC and get them to change the law all over EU for your daughter ?

    Would be a good thing to do as you feel so strongly about it .



  • Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭godzilla1989


    Yes very annoying

    Before any vaccine's in Nov 2020, 85% of all cases were under-65s

    What does that tell us regrading the impact of vaccination?

    85% vs 95%




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,535 ✭✭✭amandstu


    I was wanting to see what are the current covid restrictions in various countries around the world.


    Is there a website that would give me that information without me having to look up each country separately and laboriously?



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Its inevitable, the vaccinations wont protect the elderly,the immune compromised and the obese, their immune systems are too weak.

    We dont have enough hospital beds, enough staff or enough ICU units but we do know who is going to need those beds so should we not be going into nursing homes and other congegated settings and giving residents and staff booster shots now.Should we not be targetting the immune suppressed and the very obese with boosters too and telling them to keep themselves safe. Vaccinating thousands of young teenagers isnt the answer, none of these teenagers are going to become sick from covid and in fact it would be better for us all if hundreds and thousands of them caught covid over the summer.

    Boris and his advisers were totally correct when they said"if not now, when" in relation to easing of restrictions, how is us easing things going into the winter a good idea,if we had any sort of a decent independent media they would be asking about extra hospital beds, extra staff etc,ie what has changed since March 2020.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,050 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    You are right . Only Auckland since July . I think .



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Up to May it's actually 88%. Which tells us that the share of cases in the 65+ cohort has dropped by about 60%, despite their own mobility in the community having increased dramatically. Remember that up until April (? May, perhaps), the under-70s were effectively told to hide in their houses until this was over.

    That's all gone now and yet their share of disease is still less than half of what it was.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Too late now, she rushed off like all the other young people to take the vaccine so she could socialise.

    She might live to regret this decision as having acquired natural immunity from covid in another country she should not have taken a vaccine.

    Young people simply dont care now, they want their lives back at all costs and if that means taking ten vaccines then thats what they will do.

    Its up to the experts to advise and no not up to me,covid certs should have been issued here for people who got covid in other European countries and if this had happened then thousands of young people who got covid in Spain, Portugal etc would not have rushed off to get a vaccine so they could socialise indoors with their friends.They had natural immunity and thats all they needed, their long term health is just as important as the health of people in nursing homes.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,906 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    Actually now that it's mentioned, my sister's boyfriend (age 29) also fainted.

    I said the same thing to my sister it was just the fear of the needle, but she said no, the vaccination staff told him it was happening a lot and it was the actual vaccine and not the needle causing it (don't ask me how).But apparently it is happening regularly.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,050 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Ahhh right.

    So all those years of putting needles in people and they fainting , it was THE VACCINE all along !

    Wish I had known that 😯

    No offence Shesty , but maybe they were sparing your sister's boyfriend's blushes!



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,906 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    Simply passing on a message...that's what they were told.I gather he didn't faint on the spot, but 10 minutes later while sitting down.

    He's recovered anyway, he knows for next time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭godzilla1989


    Percentage reductions like that are very misleading in the benefit they have

    Example

    If we have 1000 cases a day and 95% are not over 65, that's 5 cases a day

    If we had 1000 cases a day before vaccine's and 85% are not 65, that's 15 cases a day

    If we had 1000 cases a day before vaccine's and 88% are not 65, that's 12 cases a day

    5/15 = 66%

    5/12 = 58%



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Is influenza not re seeded by wild birds and their migratory patterns?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yes, a pal working in a large vaccination centre said they were seeing a lot of young people fainting, these would be eighteen to late twenties.

    It could be their very strong immune systems reacting, who knows,its not a pleasant experience anyway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,341 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    2098 new cases, 52 in ICU.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    2,098 new cases, 251 in hospital and 52 in ICU. Hospital numbers holding up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,050 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    That happens too . Rush of adrenaline at first and then whoosh when you relax afterwards .

    It's a natural response to stress.

    Can't think who it was said it was The Vaccine as the vaccine is just a minute particle in your muscle sitting there at that stage .

    If people have a reaction it is usually to the rest of the stuff ( !) in the vial that carries the vaccine .

    Just my tuppence and appreciate your point .



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Absolutely nobody who collapses, faints or otherwise feels ill in the vax centre, is experiencing an immune response from the mRNA part of the vaccine.

    An immune reaction to the takes a minimum 12 hours to kick in, even in the healthiest individuals.

    The 15 minute observation period is to watch for severe allergic responses like anaphylaxis.

    Anyone fainting in the vaccination centre is experiencing fainting as a psychological response. It doesn't have to kick in when the needle appears, there can be a delay of a few minutes.

    Someone doesn't have to be afraid of needles to experience this, it can occur quite randomly and even without the individual necessarily "feeling" nervous beforehand.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The only stress my daughter had was fear that she wouldnt get the Johnson vaccine, it was pub time a week after this one and four weeks after the pfizer one.

    I really doubt any young person would be stressed about getting the vaccine, for most it was the belief that their lives would return to normal if they took it, I really feel sorry for them now,there will be no normal here until the hospital shambles is sorted out.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,265 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Wow this is a very disrespectful post about a tragic circumstance. Your denial re vaccine being the cause is concerning. If he was perfectly healthy, then got the vaccine, then got headaches within an hour & died a few days later, of course the vaccine is the probable cause. It’s incredibly sad for all involved. I’ve seen local US press openly report on vaccine deaths there. The media burying this is giving fuel to the Irish National Party and other far right groups.

    RTÉ news wheeling out a young girl whose had a transplant on the news to say she’s delighted to have gotten her vaccine should be reported on in conjunction to the latest developments in Beaumont Hospital and a detailed explanation to the public as to why people awaiting transplants will not be kept on the list if they aren’t vaccinated.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,050 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Its stress of getting a needle I am talking about .

    Most people don't even realise they are under stress until they faint .

    It's called a vaso vagal response and is part of your body's 'fight or flight 'system and is totally unconscious on the part of the person .

    I have young people at home myself so understand what you are saying but tbh think you are over egging it a bit , taxiperson !



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,335 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    The most restrictions and the highest vaccine rate in the EU.

    Yet we are second in the EU incident rate for covid.

    What a mess.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,050 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Wow! What an attack !

    Yes on reflection I apologise for that. It was insensitive as the woman is obviously distraught with grief .

    It is tragic , maybe an allergic reaction but we won't know until the post mortem .

    RIP .

    And as for Beaumont please read my post.

    Anybody with a cough or a sniffle puts everyone including themselves at very high risk . Never mind unvaccinated people .

    Those will be put back on the list no doubt when their immune / vaccination status is verified.

    Do you realise that every single person who even looks in the door of any transplant unit has to be tested negative repeatedly ? And yes, they have to be vaccinated to work in a unit like that .

    Is that an affront to their freedom to take precautions like that .

    I don't think so . No nurse / doctor working in an area like that would want any harm to come to her patients .

    So why should patients who have been screened and vetted and are about to go through major surgery and receive one of the most valuable gifts another person can bestow , the gift of a new kidney or liver or cornea , just decide to put everything at risk ?

    Because they wouldn't , no way .

    This is a non issue being drummed up by" she who has been to the high court " and those relentless fvcking eejits followers of hers .

    But if there was an outbreak everybody would be all over it straight away blaming staff and the hospital, and how dare they put such vulnerable patients at risk !

    Those patients with already compromised organs and immunity would never survive Covid .

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That’s most likely a vasovagal reaction, which some people have to injections generally. It’s something some people are just prone to and it usually results in a sharp, temporary drop in blood pressure, leading to fainting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,804 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    If you go back to October 3rd - 30th (closest month with single digit positivity rate)

    On the HPSC reports, it breaks down cases vs hospitalizations:

    HPSC report from a week ago has:

    They rejigged up the 0-24 age groups, so I used average admission rate. The past 7 days, we should have expected 382 admissions, we have had 186.

    As the 0-24 age group would be the least fully vaccinated, the 92 expected admissions would account for nearly half of admissions.

    You could go a little further, removing the 0-24 group, assuming none are fully vaccinated, (based on 2 weeks post second dose, 1 week to show symptoms and 1 week to end up in hospital) It's a stretch, but it would mean, of the expected 382 admissions, the 0-24 would have accounted for 92 of them. So we should have seen 290 admissions for those aged over 25, but ended up seeing only 94 (assuming 92 of them were the 0-24 age group)

    Good luck if anyone understands what I was trying to explain!



  • Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭godzilla1989


    Thanks for the reply Wolf

    Yeah I am not understanding all that.

    I get the demographic comparison, that's good, but what's the conclusion?

    What's the CHR difference between Oct 20 vs Aug 21, demographic vs demographic?

    Case vs case are over 65's doing better now and how much better?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,804 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Without knowing the breakdown in age of hospitalizations lately, it impossible to know. But we should have had 382 hospital admissions the past 7 days, we have only had 186 (92 of those would have been expected as they are 0-24 and the most unvaccinated group)

    Positivity rate is actually quite higher now compared to October, meaning we're missing more cases than last October, yet the admission rate is lower. So it's all down to the vaccines.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 44 JEC


    @Goldengirl you are just unbelievable. You dismiss the death of a healthy 23 year old 3 days after vaccination as a coincidence, you dismiss his grieving aunt's concerns, you dismissed my friend's partial vision loss yet you freak out about long covid and latch on to Covid numbers without question.

    Everytime someone was reported as dying with Covid were you stating we should await a post mortem to determine the cause of death?

    For an ICU nurse you appear you to have a disturbing lack of empathy!



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