Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Post edited .before you jumped on . Nothing to say to you . Replying to CS .

This reads a bit like "I'm allowed present hypothetical medical scenarios but anyone else who does it is an AnTiVaXxEr"

Neither Paschal nor anyone else involved in government gives a hoot about the future or those who will try to build a life in it. That's the point you miss

No . I said that if the cause of death is unknown ,( not going to mention the case again ) then there is a postmortem . Most people know this , why do you ask ?

You want me to say " we don't need a post mortem for Covid cases " , do you ?

We do , if the cause of death has to be explained .

What friend who lost his vision ? What are you going on about accusing me of now ?

You know I am not responsible for everything bad that has happened to you or yours ?

It is genuinely getting a bit creepy the way you are popping up out of the blue with sxxt like that .

And as for empathy , I save that for my family , friends and my patients and colleagues. not for internet dwellers who keep posting accusations and personal attacks .

No that would ge reserved for some people ...

That poster that I was replying to first @CruelSummer is a decent poster that I often agree or disagree with but who does not troll for the sake of it like you and others .

I respect his/ her opinion and revisited my post , and deleted the one which was insensitive . It is probably less insensitive than others today but it doesn't come up to my standards for myself .

I do not need to apologise but I did , out of respect and I also do not need to justify my actions to you or any other person here but I am because you don't get to have the last word , and be uncivil and nasty to me .

Are you talking to me ???

I see you are replying but somehow not .

It's what happens when you are on ignore

I hope you continue to use your right to free speech

Mind you I won't notice .

Ok I see things have gotten heated in here this evening. I think the issue with the Beaumont situation is - it’s a big call made by the hospital board, with little explanation to the public as to its reasoning. It’s giving the impression that people are going to be denied medical treatment if they are unvaccinated. If this had been explained & reasoned out. It may not have even been an issue. The idea that healthcare being denied by the unvaccinated not that outlandish a possibility either as France have recently introduced a vaccine pass which has curbs on ‘non-urgent medical care’.

As for the young man who lost his life, it’s tragic. I’m concerned this will be used by certain groups due to the cover up in the mainstream media. It should be more openly discussed. Vaccines are not without risk.

You're already aware of my view that in younger groups, I think the benefits do not outweigh the risks of getting vaccinated, especially when reading the clickbait articles out this week stating ‘Covid vaccine’s wane after 3 months’, Delta can be transmitted as easily from either vaccinated or unvaccinated. I’m unsure if this is just media hyperbole or if this is peer reviewed research as I didn’t even click on the articles. Perhaps more data will come in to change my mind, but we need to be very careful with the turn this is all taking re undermining the efficacy and effectiveness of the vaccines & maintaining the reopening society going forward.

Yes you are correct. I should have clarified that Covid is listed as the primary underlying cause of death simply because there was a positive PCR test even when the deceased suffered from other terminal illnesses.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/mayo-coroner-questions-nphets-figures-for-covid-deaths-40326117.html

Someone with a terminal illness can die of other causes other than said terminal illness.

I'm not saying our death's have been 100% accurate, but going by what you say, a terminally ill patient driving to the hospital for treatment dies in a car accident, the cause of death.... should be? You say the terminal illness, I say the car accident.

I'm not sure how that article relates to covid as a cause of death?

Or do you think any public spokesperson has said restrictions WILL lift at X time and has never been wrong? I'm sure they include a lot of if/buts/may etc...

Completely different story if someone is pushing an agenda. for example: "Second mRNA shot may cause autism in boys aged 12-15 who have had the MMR jab. More data needed to be conclusive"

Complete **** I made up, but I included a 'may' (to cover my arse) and 'more data needed' to make me not look like an antivaxer etc...

Unfortunately people need to have common sense. If the CMO say restrictions may be reinstated or restrictions may be lifted, the status quo remains. But people will latch on to both sides to bitch and moan.

I wouldn't be surprised.

I disagree with you. A press statement like this will be very carefully worded.

11% asymptomatic vs 89% with symptoms and 'being treated'. That is answering the question while not answering the question. Its a 'Sir Humphrey' answer.

The question is how many are in hospital because of covid and how many are in hospital because of something and just happen to test positiv. And that does include ICU. And I think that question is well justified since we learned at some point last year that a sizeable percentage of patients actually acquired the virus in hospital never mind not being real covid patients.

I'm simply sick of this fogging up the facts bullsh1t. Its has been happening from day one and from day one it smelled like embellishment. Just in case the plebs might think this isn't really serious enough to justify all this nonsense.

Are we really naive enough to think a person in ICU for "some reason" that gets COVID-19 isn't serious?

I recall reading earlier in this thread that someone who has major surgery and develops COVID-19 shouldn't be considered either. They're in hospital for the surgery the Covids probably just sniffles.

I really wish people would stop and think. Please just think. Covid or any infection brings potential for complications and further infection to vulnerable patients. A person isn't going to be kept in hospital if there's no medical need to be there. An ICU case with Covid or any other infection is a very serious issue and should not be dismissed as anything else.

I also wish people would stop and think about why we still treat COVID as if it's outside of what a hospital is made to treat. It should be treated the same way we treat other contagious diseases and stop acting like it is some sort of standalone issue. We don't get a breakdown of any other disease in this way, apart from bad flu seasons and even then it's not plastered all over the daily news. Vaccinations now have it at completely manageable levels and treatments seem to be improving outcomes for those that do need to be admitted.

We also had a big issue with "bed blockers" (a term I always hated), where usually elderly people are left in wards far longer than they need be because stepdown facitilies are as rare as hens teeth.