Don't buy in a new estate

Why would they be selling in a few years?

It's well for them, these social tenants in very decent areas all the same isn't it? No one can deny that. Compare and contrast to those who not only are paying through their taxes for them, but are also in many cases going to live next to those who did not have to sweat buckets, and beg steal and borrow to get the deposit and pay a hefty mortgage. The vast majority of purchasers feel the same. And the allocation of these properties to social housing in desirable areas lessens the pool available for those who wish to buy.

Whoever the mod is here can ban me if they want I don't care, I am totally fed up of this overypayment by councils for accommodation in purpose built properties in very good areas. I doubt I am alone, but sure look it, no one can complain about anything that affects them anymore.

Bye now in anticipation.

This is the source for the OP

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/residents-object-to-plan-to-lease-cabinteely-apartments-for-social-housing-1.4652218?mode=amp

Yeah right. Athlone and especially Mullingar have problem estates. And I mean big problems in them. Just google it.

Should social housing tenants only live in bad areas? Have to love the snobs who think they should have any choice in who lives near them.

You do understand that there is thousands upon thousands of working people in social housing don't you? So plenty of them contribute to society in many ways. Also (thankfully) people like you don't get to decide where others live, its actually **** all of anybodys business if their neighbours are in social housing or not.

Developers aren't GIVING the houses they build to local government. They're SELLING to them.

This is the ultimate issue alright.

I grew up in a working class area with loads of social housing so I'm not a snob about it and I think the state should build more of it.

But I also do empathise with someone forking out 450k on a brand new house and then seeing half the street living there virtually for free.

And I can see why a couple earning around 60k are aggrieved at paying 1500 per month for a one bedroom apartment while people they went to school with who popped out three kids by the age of 21 get a three bed semi-detached house for a couple for a few hundred per month.

Social housing is a necessary and and effective policy within an overall functioning market. When the market is as broken as it is at the moment the perception will always be that social housing is in some way unfair, and in many cases that's actually a justified view to have.

I live in an estate with social housing. The estate was built in stages, and a lot of the social housing seem to be grouped together, I don't live near any, but if you drove around our estate, I wouldn't have to tell you where the social housing is concentrated, its obvious. The houses aren't looked after all, that may be because they can't afford it, or because they don't have as much pride in it because they didn't have to work as hard for it. But if you work your ass off to buy a house and are surround by people who don't care about theirs, then it affects the value of your house, so not only do your taxes end up subsidizing houses for other people, the value of your own drops at the same time. I wouldn't call that snobbery, it's just a natural reaction to being shafted.

And I'm sure your going to say not all people in social housing will neglect their house, which of course it true, but a much higher percentage will than people who have paid for the house themselves. There's plenty in social housing and nobody even knows it's social housing, they're not the people anybody has a problem with.

The cost of a private house is not out of reach of nurses, teachers & gardai. A single person, in those professions, will find it difficult to get a house but an apt will be within their grasp.

I grew up in socialized housing, the place was a real kip...still is, drugs, crime, regular petrol bombings recently. My parents worked hard to get out of it and we move to our own house, I've had crappy jobs myself, making the lattes and wraps, my job wasn't near my house though, I had to use public transport and even thumb a lift sometimes, it was horrendous, I really should write a book about it. But then I got an education then a professional job, and after working for 13 years bought my own house, a similar story to most people who buy their own house I'd imagine.

If I'd known that I was entitled to live in a houses worth many hundred of thousands of euros, just because I was making the wraps and the lattes for people with professional jobs I would have stayed doing that.

Socialized housing should be stepping stone for people trying to better their lives, handing people houses worth the same as those with high earning jobs and saying it's necessary is a bit of stretch.

Maybe the thickos aren't upset about the foreign investment in Irish housing because that's what was basically supporting the construction industry for so many years when not much else was happening, and in the unlikely event that we ever experience another recession, we might actually need that foreign investment again

Cool story bro,

I also grew up in council housing and we also moved out. The area isn't a kip isn't full of drugs and provided and still provides housing for thousands of working people. From bus drivers to school cleaners .

My grand parents also got social housing in the 50s and same story there.

But it would be the usual speel from the folks like yourself who thing foreign investment is propping up the building industry. It's not. Theyre buying stuff out from under private people. Entire estates being purchased off the plans for rental only. You seem to think that's good. It's evident you don't actually have a grasp of the subject matter.

And all the gribbing in the world about social housing isn't going to fix the market where wealth funds are operating world wide hoovering up housing stock. This isn't an Irish phenomenon it's everywhere. The fact lower income people can't even buy a house if they wanted to is because of this policy which you have an abject hard on for..

Gas, cutting the nose off to spite your face. Maybe we should just put people in camps. Many many camps.

Suggest you do some reading up on whats actually going on in the Irish housing market. Might make your commentary less me feiney and more balanced

I don't think you really grasp what social housing is.

In a way many of us benefit from people in social housing - care staff in particular, people in necessary but low skilled jobs - cleaning staff, manufacturing staff, some retail staff and many other sectors.

They will not travel from westmeath to Dublin for €11/hour.

Many in social housing work, but their earning power simply would not allow them to live in or near the areas they work. Current maximum net income limit in Dublin is about €36,000 to qualify and you would pay rent.

Now, I personally think there should be size limits on social housing at 100sqm and 3 bedrooms and only in certain cases it should be 4 bedrooms. And I also think that there should not be social housing within high end estates as the money spent on some houses could buy 2 or 3 houses elsewhere, but i simply don't buy the scaremongering "houses will lose value" statements

Away with you removing outrage with facts

Eh , who are the foreign funds buying all the houses renting them out to ? Oh yeah- the councils . Maybe do a bit of reading up yourself.