Licensee agreement

fun loving criminal · 22-08-2021 6:36am #1

If I was to get a two bedroom apartment, would landlords allow a licensee, which will allow me to get someone in? Would there be issues regarding something like this?

Caranica · 22-08-2021 10:23am

Some will, some won't. Some prefer to have control over who lives in their apartment. The lease will state whether or not subletting is permitted.

fun loving criminal · 22-08-2021 10:33am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117787629#Comment_117787629

Thanks. If I was to find a place that allows it, I would like to be fair. But at the same time, I know I would be liable as the head tenant. So what is easier regarding bills? Split bills equally or include bills as part of rent?

My time house sharing has thought me that people don't pay on time. So I'm thinking of including all bills, so there's only one payment.

Caranica · 22-08-2021 11:29am

The risk of including all bills is the lodger taking the proverbial, leaving lights on, getting a plug in heater and running it full time etc. You also would need to work out what average bills are over the year as obviously they're higher in winter.

fun loving criminal · 22-08-2021 11:55am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117787814#Comment_117787814

Yes, you're right. So shared bills is best then.

fun loving criminal · 22-08-2021 5:02pm

I have another question. If I was to go down the route of renting out a room in a house, would a written agreement between myself and the licensee be a sensible idea?

I came across a template online. I attached a copy of what I found. Would something like this work?

LICENSEE-AGREEMENT-TEMPLATE.docx

Caranica · 22-08-2021 6:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117789391#Comment_117789391

Don't do it. Don't contract away your rights. Discuss rules with the licensee then send an email "as per our conversation, rent x to be paid on day y; bills to be shared equally; overnight guests..." Etc

Committing to a time period is crazy, you really won't know what someone is like until you live with them

fun loving criminal · 22-08-2021 7:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117789922#Comment_117789922

Thank you for your advice.

Del2005 · 22-08-2021 10:15pm

Just be aware that when you enter Part 4 tenancy the licencee can request to be added to the lease and the landlord can't reasonably refuse. So once you are renting for >6 months there's a risk your licencee can become a co tenant.

"

(7) A person who is lawfully in occupation of the dwelling concerned as a licensee of the tenant or the multiple tenants, as the case may be, during the subsistence of a Part 4 tenancy may request the landlord of the dwelling to allow him or her to become a tenant of the dwelling.

"

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2004/act/27/section/50/enacted/en/html

fun loving criminal · 22-08-2021 11:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117790727#Comment_117790727

Is there anything wrong with that? If they want to become a tenant, they would be liable for rent as well.

Del2005 · 23-08-2021 10:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117790998#Comment_117790998

Nothing wrong with. I was just pointing out that a tenant can't have a licencee once they are in Part 4 lease, so the people advising the OP not do up a contract as licencees have zero rights while correct it only applies to living with an owner. The OP has to consider anyone moving in a joint tenant not a licencee.

mrslancaster · 25-08-2021 10:57pm

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