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DUBLIN IS TOTALLY UNLIVABLE **Mod Warning In Post #671**

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  • Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You are really taking this seriously. And not taking the op seriously.

    I’m happy where I am in Dublin but I’m inclined to not believe somebody who finds the inner city hellish. Why would the op be prejudiced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    So you never saw any Roma Gypsies? There are a ton of homeless people who are not from Dublin. The city centre main streets have the locals but the rest of the city and suburbs have beggars from the countryside and foreign countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,881 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    I've already said money needs to be directed in to the city to form a metro police unit that will have the powers to stop all the carry on mentioned above. I've been barraging my local politicians about our local property tax being spent elsewhere in the country, I'd suggest you start doing the same instead of admonishing people on the internet about Dublins problems.

    Regarding the homeless and drug users, they're from all over the country, more and more arriving from different parts around the country, accents from Mayo, Cork, Galway... everywhere.



  • Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I might get onto the politicians - I believe local taxes should be kept here. It’s only 20% that isn’t though so not sure about your grand scheme working with just that extra revenue to DCC

    I'm still going to continue discussing things on the internet though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭crooked cockney villain


    These Dublin "shythole" rants always follow the same old nonsense.


    "No Gardai to be seen patrolling" there are Gardai stood near on permanently at the GPO from dawn til dusk and have been for as long as I remember. Also plenty walking the streets or cycling about.

    "Open air drug dealing" backstreets, alleys, boardwalk, yes, and particularly obvious at Merchant Quay. O'Connell St? Absolutely not.


    There are countries some Irish people regard as absolute paradise where the streets are full of aggressive junkies and you would never see a cop on foot (Sydney being the most obvious one)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,518 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    ^ Re Garda at GPO, that is a static post afaik, so the Garda is not actually 'on patrol'.

    Remember when those pesky rebels took over the GPO? There wasn't an RIC constable on duty then and look what happened...

    Not your ornery onager



  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You are correct that it's a static post, but not about the 1916 part. There were Dublin Metropolitan Police members stationed both inside and outside the GPO.

    If my memory serves me correctly Edward Dunphy was the name of one of them and he was released a couple of days into the rising but injured as he made his way away from the building and died a few years later from the wounds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,518 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    Yeah, I should have stopped before adding the second paragraph... ☺️

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭dd973


    It's a great place to bring up little Ronan and Eibhlin in Booterstown in other words...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    The vast vast majority of Dubliners couldn't afford to live there or anywhere along that coast, but lots of other less expensive areas are great for bringing up kids too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,881 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Indeed, there's even a centre for kids who don't read good.



  • Registered Users Posts: 544 ✭✭✭agoodpunt


    The city centre continues to be rundown quicker since office been replaced by tents creating more rubbish and smelling more like an open sewer.

    who ever is distributing these tents should me made clean up the mess they create, thats why I have decided to move out leaving in 2 weeks, it is an offence to relieve urself in most of the first world while in Indian its the norm.

    I pity those who work in hospitals etc having to past this not to mention tourist when they come back and it will be reported on media, business's wont survive if they stop coming



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭Miley Byrne


    I misread the title in my haste as "Dublin is unviable" and I was about to agree wholeheartedly.


    But alas, no



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭FileNotFound


    There are a few more beggars than usual to be fair, not many compared to other cities around the world but more than we are used to.

    Most of them are just junkies wanting a few more quid rather than homeless and they all tend to be easy to deal with.


    Still cannot see what people don't like about the city center, I have never felt as safe in any other major city, Dublin is literally a lovely safe city where you can walk all over problem free.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,869 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    Was born in Dublin and grew up in a nice suburb. When I was in my teens/early 20's, I was happy to go into the city centre but would tend to avoid certain parts (quays in general, O'Connell St., Pearse St. etc.) late at night.

    Nowadays, I'd be a bit wary of walking around anywhere in the city, especially at night. Would completely avoid inner city area if at all possible, and would be watching my route if I did have to get to a DART station or Busaras. Would avoid the Luas completely at night to be honest, and the red line at any time. Wouldn't be happy for my son to head in at all these days to be honest.

    As someone who grew up in the suburbs, the difference in how safe I felt when I was going in to meet my mates (1990s) and now is stark - I'd pretty much avoid the city completely these days, aside from specific events. I just can't be bothered with the hassle you're almost guaranteed to get from junkies or scumbags, or the possibility of getting a smack from a randomer. Doesn't matter where you are or what time of day nowadays.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ Milena Big Firehouse


    The North suburbs is having issues with gangs and anti social behaviour and very little is being done at any level. I would hate to have to move but might if things don’t improve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,881 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    When you read this after spending a few enjoyable hours in the city centre with your kids you're left scratching your head. DART in and out, some birthday money spent in Bamba, lamb chops in the butchers on Moore st, stocked up on spices in the Asian Markets, lunch and dinner eaten in town (with a cheeky glass of wine). Great time, no hassle, we all got out alive.

    Oh, and the "Rubbish everywhere" merchants - Spoofers. 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭jmlad2020


    C'mon folks the Junkies have had a hard year, not much pickings to be had as people work remotely. Give them a break.

    Dublin is a great place if you happened to have inherited your granny's house in Ranelagh.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭FileNotFound



    Honestly don't get the same feelings, I find Dublin at all hrs of day and night a really safe feeling place.

    I probably compare it to other large cities in which case its one of the nicest and safest.


    You may well be right it has become worse than ever but its still so much better than most places. At least in my view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,835 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Dublin is what it is, regardless of a random house in Ranelagh.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭vriesmays


    Dublin's great, most of the ugly Irish had to move down the country. Now it's full of attractive South American and East European women.



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭Liam32123




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    I was in the city centre yesterday and I only saw 2 junkies down a lane. Weird how so many see hundreds every day



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,881 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Yeah, some of the attitudes and fear is hysterical on this thread, but in fairness, some of the anecdotes are from residents of the city centre. They see it all and they're the ones that bear the brunt.

    I truly believe (as others obviously do) that the city needs a huge monitory injection. Stop sending money out to build motorways around the country and deal with the problem in the capital to make it a city for people. A properly trained transport police unit and a metro police force needs to be established to encourage the good people back in to the city.

    Local Property Tax needs to be what it says. Local. Not flowing out of the city to improve areas that are totally "Liveable" and don't have the social and economic problems the city suffers from.



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭Liam32123


    Yes. It is all an ‘imagination’ of people writing in this thread.

    In fact, right yesterday 21 August a Garda Officer told the following about the city centre to the Irish Independent: 

    “The worst thing at the minute going on in the city is these gangs of roaming young lads,” 

    “They’re anything between 12 and 17 years old. They’re literally in gangs of 10 and 20. It’s hard to police if they are in that big of a group”

    “They’re intimidating and imposing”

    “They’re robbing people, assaulting people. And if you chase one of them and they end up running out in front of traffic or if they’re riding a bike and they end up hurting themselves, it’s an issue for us then. Then we are under investigation and we could be suspended”

    “If you’re a member of the public, in the wrong place at the wrong time, you’re assaulted”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,603 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    The city centre is **** filthy, between the litter and the endemic stickering, it's actually an awful place to be.

    I haven't had the need to go into the city much since the C19 crisis but the cities problems appear much worse now.

    As I've posted before, when the tide goes out you find out who's been swimming with no pants, and Dublin is starkers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,603 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Last Monday week a man was forced to perform a sex act on two other men at the side of the GPO. God knows what else would've happened to him had two beat gardai not come across it.

    This is what's going on in the city centre



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭Liam32123


    Some people here do not understand that we are not glad to write these comments. It is just that the real situation has become intolerable. As the Garda Officer explained to the Independent, these gangs are unpredictable; and the off-limits areas are any day more and more



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,603 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Exactly, I don't know of anyone who is gleeful that our capital is an international embarrassment.

    That's not hyperbole either. I'd be ashamed to bring visitors around the city.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I find that bizarre. I've often had visitors from abroad and they've had a great time here. There are many lovely parts of Dublin including in the city centre, I think a lot of Irish people, especially those not from Dublin, look at it with a glass half full approach, and view it with contempt. If the homeless people and addicts and lack of policing put you off Dublin, I would say that's a failure at a national level, as in progressive Governments aren't doing enough to help the most populous part of the country. As others have said in this thread, perhaps lots more needs to be spent on the city centre and its people, but I don't think the rest of Ireland would be happy with that either!

    It can be a great place though if you want it to be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,603 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Could you show me just one piece of street furniture in Dublin CC that isn't vandalised? Everything is graffitied, markered or stickered. You can have a good time at the cities attractions whilst being disgusted at the general state of the city. It does look like the authorities have walked off the job though in the past 18 months, focusing entirely on shoehorning as much cycling infrastructure into the city instead of dealing with the myriad of other problems.

    I don't know if it's money that's the problem. It's a social attitude one, a lack of civic ownership and pride in the city, no consequences for vandals or litterers.

    I often hear that ad on the radio "bin your gum or face a €100 fine" and have a little laugh to myself, have you ever heard of anyone getting one of those? Ever?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Street furniture that isn't vandalised... off the top of my head the seating areas on Chatham St, the benches in Merrion Square, the benches along the canal at Baggot St bridge that I have lunch on regularly are fully functioning too. They've done some good work during covid, the streets around South William St have restricted cars to a certain extent, new paving and seating on Drury St, Dawson St has had a few buildings redeveloped and it's looking well.

    Do you think the civic pride thing is a Dublin thing or a national thing, because I regularly see instances of dumping and litter and pollution all over Ireland?

    They haven't done anywhere near enough for cycling infra in my opinion but that's another thread, it's still getting better though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,603 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    None of those benches have any stickers on them, none? Permanent marker graffiti?

    There is barely a streetlight in the city that isn't stickered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Well that's pretty normal in all cities, but no I hadn't noticed this on what I mentioned, I guess I don't go looking for these things or worry about them. Ever been to Berlin or London? Does that actually bother you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,603 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Ever been to Tokyo, Singapore? Just because that bullshit is tolerated in other western countries doesn't mean it should be tolerated here. No council effort goes into removing these either.

    And yes, it does bother me. It looks like every fuckwit that fancies themselves as a graphic artist has chosen to impose their "work" on the rest of us.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,609 ✭✭✭dubrov


    I'm afraid you are just getting old.

    It happens to us all at some stage 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I really hope we never try to imitate the likes of Singapore, they're kind of OTT with everything. Anyway, Dublin isn't going to change overnight but it's always improving in my opinion, if I were you I'd try and focus on the things you like about the place, get involved with groups trying to make the place better, or just don't visit/live in the place if it upsets you that much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,603 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    You think Dublin is always improving? Aside from cycling infrastructure, what exactly has improved in the last 18 months? The city is visibly more littered, and now has gangs of youths roaming the streets attacking people.

    I had to go into the city in the early hours last week and ended up traversing down south William St. To say the atmosphere was hostile would be the nicest way if putting it.

    The fingers in the ears ignoring the cities problems, whilst telling ourselves the city is great has gone on long enough. Perhaps you should tell the pregnant woman that lost her baby after being assaulted in the city how great the place is. Or the lad that was forced to perform a sex act on two other men or the family of the cleaner that was murdered outside CHQ.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Well I have never had a problem with gangs of youths attacking people, Dublin has always been a tough town and Dublin Live and mobile phones have just meant incidents are widely publicised now. I don't know anyone who has any issues with security in the city centre, and I know a couple of women my age that live in IFSC and Temple Bar and have never had any issues. Personally I think it was far rougher in the 90s, where I used to see fights nearly every time I went out at the weekend, that doesn't appear to be the case any more as most people are just more chilled out these day.

    I have never in my life felt any kind of "menace" in the air in the city centre, especially not around South William St ffs. I think this is down to your own mindset, and I have no idea why you'd live in a place that made you feel that uncomfortable.

    The pregnant woman was attacked by someone well known to her, these things happen everywhere, and sexual assault is a problem everywhere too.

    I think you need to chill out tbh and stop worrying, the chances of anything happening to you are very slim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,833 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Dublin is dis-improving.

    when the Metro, was proposed to when the first passenger will avail of the service, 26 years will have passed. That could change because of covid.

    one line 16 stops, 26 fûcking years. One third of a persons lifetime.

    Copenhagen metro took just 10 years.

    Also it was planned, designed and built for a population far less then it will be forced to try and accommodate...ie. It won’t be fit for purpose.

    my parents were both still working when it was given the green light... they are unsure if they’ll still be around and living when the first train moves with passengers.

    Dublin is overpopulated, difficult to transport oneself, unsafe, expensive. It’s getting worse, it’s dis-improving



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  • Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭Luxemburgo


    That is because the focus is on/money spent on the blameless 5-10% and not the 90-95% who want to get on with their life within the boundaries of the law, and contribute to society/life.

    We are so so soft on certain cohorts due to both the fear of offence, and the "optics"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,603 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I take it then that you've never walked the boardwalk?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    The metro is not happening because of parish pump politics and Dublin not having enough power over itself or its own finances. This isn't Dublin's fault, it's the fault of Ireland and how it is governed. Look at the traffic disaster that is Galway, or the lack of public transport all over Ireland, and the complete lack of planning in rural Ireland which has made it 100% private car dependent. Dublin's faults are just a mirror of the problems of the whole country, but an easy target for people to point fingers at. It's all down to terrible governance at a national level, too many TDs with vested interests and lobby groups get in the way of big infrastructure projects, all except road building for some reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    of course I have, loads of times, addicts frequent there but I don't have any ill feelings towards them and they don't bother me, I just feel bad for them. If you are so appalled by them why do you ever go near the boardwalk yourself?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,603 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I have more sense than to walk the boardwalk after being assaulted by a junkie, thanks.

    It should be demolished imo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    Nonsense we should just deal with those causing the problems.

    As novel an approach as that might be for this generation of politicians



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    We should deal with the societal problems that mean many people end up homeless and addicted, instead of looking down upon them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    Thats worked very well so far.......

    We should do both, and hope the next generation avoids these pitfalls.

    I am not looking down on anyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    it hasn't worked very well has it? there are still too many miserable people from miserable backgrounds ending up with mental health issues, addiction and homelessness.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    It hasn't, and there must be a massive focus on ensuring their kids don't fall into the same traps they did.

    Not just getting rid of a boardwalk because people cause trouble on it..

    The concentration of drug related facilities in the city centre doesn't help either, or the increasing numbers of social housing.



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