Waterford GAA Thread - Mod note post #1

Some speculation doing the rounds the last 24 hours or so. Half think Cahill has the Tipp job with Bevans, Declan Fanning and then Magnier as a sponsor.

The other half reporting Michael Donoghue has it.

If Cahill does get it, we would definitely do a lot worse than going all out to get Donoghue ourselves. Good manager that led Galway to their first AI in nearly 30 years, at our expense unfortunately. Many feel he was hard done by by the Galway CB a few years ago letting him go. Only obvious problem would be him being based in Galway so it would be hard to see him travelling down to Waterford a few nights a week. By all accounts though he’s very keen to get back involved in an intercounty set up.

I remember their being mention that TQS were giving them a split sponsorship with certain amounts being paid for getting out of Munster and onto quarter, semi and all ireland finals. And i think even at that the sponsorship wasn't worth more than 200 to 250k, if all targets were reached. Surely that's a model that should now be scrapped and Waterford hurling deserves better than that given their progress since 2017. 2 all irelands and a semi final. Surely they should be able to command 250k at a bare minimum now. I know Dublin, Cork, Mayo and Kerry get huge sponsorship from their main sponsors (possibly in the millions each) and all their associate sponsors adding more on top so hopefully the Waterford jersey is worth more in 2022. With talk of Coolmore backing a Cahill/ Tipp 2022 squad could Henry De Bromhead or someone like that step into the breach for the Deise.

Wasnt there also a secondary sponsor allowed on jersies last season (i may be wrong and thinking of premier league) but surely they should be able to generate further revenue in that manner. As someone said previously they've (Waterford) been topped up by a private individual recently so why not try and get a few more involved. I know kavanagh's provide transport etc and have done for many years before they were an associate sponsor so maybe they deserve a chance to be main sponsor if they had the money. Is there any chance they could get Glanbia/Yop back on board?

Yeah, I was thinking about going to Limerick for the weekend and couldn't decide between the Lodge and the Maldron but decided to give the old few bob to Adare Manor what with them sponsoring Limerick :D

In other words I don't think JP is in it for hotel exposure

Yeah, I think Adare Manor is handy way for him to badge up the team as a thank you for all of his help.

Good news coming by weeks end lads...

We are not teenagers spit it out son !!

Tipp lads seem to be confident Cahill has decided on Tipp and all will be announced by the weekend

Jesus Christ

Surely not, if people are saying DMG is a step back then Davy is an even bigger step back. Maybe give Justin and Gerald McCarthy a shout at that rate!!

I would hope Cahill will stay, the rebuild in Tipp will take too long (4 years if not more) and culling the stars of yesteryear (even though they need to go) there would be his downfall. He has a great group in Waterford coming to their peak, possibly better placed to challenge than Tipp and Cork. Having TDB, Iarlaith Daly and some new faces for 2022 should give him a stronger hand.

With TDB and Iarlaith Daly back should it be a consideration to push Calum Lyons or kieran bennet into MF

Its hard to see where this major rebuild required by tipp is coming from. Whoever takes over has 10 starters from 2019 AI in their 20s & another 5 younger lads who came on. 8 of those 10 have 2 AI senior medals. Plus a large group with u20 u21 & minor medals which sheedy didnt utilise. And I doubt there’ll be a big cull of the older lads, Paidi Maher looked as good as ever this year & Callanan & Bonner mightn’t want to go out on a year of injuries.

only galway & Limerick have similar or better amounts of medalists. Even KK this year had only 4 starters with AI senior medals. Waterford have none. Its a no brainer for Cahill

While the media coverage of last Sunday’s All-Ireland Hurling Final has used every kind of superlative to describe Limerick’s first-half performance, I thought myself that it was surpassed by the Shannonsiders’ second-half comeback against Tipperary in the Munster Final.

Not only were Limerick facing a ten-point deficit starting the second half, having played dismally before the short whistle, but they were up against a far better and more experienced team than they had to face last Sunday. In that second half, Limerick scored 2-17 against Tipperary’s 1-5, a 15-point gap compared with the 13-point gap between the teams at half-time last Sunday. And Tipperary’s goal came in the last minute of play.

Granted, that Tipperary team contained many pairs of ageing legs which buckled in the searing heat of Páirc Uí Chaoimh, but I would still argue that they were far superior to the callow Cork team which we saw last Sunday. This was a team that was either disastrously set up and coached, or failed to execute their mentors’ instructions on the field of play. The amount of space they gave Gearóid Hegarty for his two goals was criminal.

While predictable, the hype which attended Cork’s appearance in the final was distinctly over-the-top, as they had stumbled past moderate Clare and Kilkenny teams to get there. The standard of hurling in Waterford’s victories over Galway and Tipperary was higher, with Waterford playing some brilliant hurling in both games.

After 53 minutes of their semi-final against Limerick, Waterford were just six points in arrears. At the same point in the final, Cork were 16 points down. Even after conceding their soft goal to Limerick, Waterford created six goal-scoring chances, whereas Cork were a spent force in the final quarter.

With Joe Canning gone, and several of their other more experienced players approaching their sell-by date, it is hard to understand how Galway have been made second favourites for next year’s All-Ireland. It is even more mysterious how far down Waterford are in the betting, given that they were clearly the second-best team in Ireland this year, and will have Tadhg de Búrca, Pauric Mahony and Iarlaith Daly back in 2022.

The team of the year selected on RTE’s Sunday Game obviously involved giving a token position to the losing finalist and the two losing semi-finalists and a special award to Tony Kelly, with the remaining positions being allocated to Limerick. Nevertheless, Conor Prunty had an excellent year and well deserves his award. It was a pity that, apart from naming him, the Sunday Game panel made no further mention of him, with no footage of any of his plays being shown.

 It was hard to fathom the selection of Jack O’Connor as Cork’s token representative, especially at the expense of Gearóid Hegarty. Patrick Horgan would have been a more deserving selection. Aaron Gillane was, in my view, very fortunate to get a place in what was a very average year for him. Dessie Hutchinson, in my view, would also have been a more deserving case for this position. Clearly, the 2-2 he got against Tipperary, and 1-3 against Galway, in the league counted for nothing in this selection process.

Wouldn't be surprising given we know how close DMG is to certain players within that group, he’s more of a pal to them than anything else. All the more reason for me that it’s not the right call to bring him back. He had his time and while most lads buy and large bought into him at the time , the mindset of many players will have changed under Cahills different approach.

What are the formats for the Senior and the 2 Intermediate championships ?

In the Senior we badly need someone to seriously challenge Ballygunner who are on a quest for 8 in a row. Be nice to see De La Salle and Mount Sion back in form of yesteryear, Passage have shown they can trouble teams. Up west Dungarvan,Lismore and Fourmilewater could spring a surprise but there form can be up and down. Ballysaggart with the Bennett Brothers could be outsiders, hard to see the likes of Tallow, Ballyduff Upper and Roanmore doing much

Please dont inflict him on us again, or even Derek McGrath. I know the two of them got us to All-Ireland finals but their style of hurling is so negitive.

Have you noticed that De La Salle won little or nothing since they famously put 3.3.1. on the back of the jersey. The 3.3.1. was suppoed to mean 3 County Titles, 3 Munster Titles and 1 All-Ireland Title. They won the third county title after putting it on but that was about it.