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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 481 ✭✭mariab21


    Eh the Govt have went against NPHETAs advice countless times and still are on certain things so thats not true at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,726 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    If you were listening, rather than just taking soundbites from tabloid journalists, you would have heard him answer that question with "I would hope it (the removal of restrictions) would be sooner than that (christmas)" and then follow up with a few figures and stats...

    The answer shown in the above tweet was to a completely different question



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Whatever...

    4-5k individuals ran or in a wheel chair completed 26.2 miles

    Team relays is not a marathon.

    I was there.

    Reply all you want I wont be engaging with you anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,274 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    Well they've both completely undermined each other there. No real surprise. Donnelly is a taepot, it's like he just comes out with things like an over excited child at times and then Tony just hammers the same doom and gloom stuff time after time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 965 ✭✭✭SnuggyBear


    Ye all restrictions gone except the ones that are not gone. They are so full of ****. Guaranteed there will be more restrictions by then not less.



  • Registered Users Posts: 481 ✭✭mariab21


    18k took part in the event during the day. Not 5k as you tried to make out at the start



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  • Registered Users Posts: 481 ✭✭mariab21


    So over the course of the day 18k did not take part in the race in some shape or form?

    Didnt think Belfast marathons offical page or Belfasts papers would say it was 18k when it wasn't but hey boards user must be correct



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I was there you were not.

    I have ran many marathons all over the world.

    I know your wrong and thats all I have to say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,936 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    Members of NPHET should not be on Twitter (in an official capacity). They should advise directly to Government and answer to them, and tow the official line.

    Health advice should come via HSE channels only.

    This is like a power battle playing out online and in the media between NPHET and Government. Crazy situation.

    Tony needs to be taken down a peg.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 481 ✭✭mariab21


    When ya know you have lost throw the toys outta pram, i know your wrong and thats all i have to say

    Schoolyard nonsense


    "Around 18,000 took part in the full marathon, the wheelchair race, team relay, walk and fun run for 2019's 38th Deep RiverRock Belfast City Marathon"

    So the Belfast Telegraph is wrong and 18,000 didn't take part



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    I think they were correct to pull the race, in so far as they had no certainty about would or wouldn't be allowed.

    I don't really see any major issue running it in late October this year, but they've been let down by silence from the Government. They had no real choice except to pull it.

    Masks and social distancing will remain official public health advice, but there will be no mandatory basis for them. That is, there will be nothing in law which requires anyone to wear them in any context.

    Individual premises or transport operators would remain free to deny access to people who won't wear them, however.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    “Dr Holohan is asked about Minister Donnelly's comments again around all restrictions being lifted by Christmas. 

    He says he hopes we can get there sooner than that.”

    All doom and gloom



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    The members of NPHET are,as all good businesspeople would be,very protective of their Income Stream.

    The NPHET-Covid line is quite THE best selling of their products at the moment,with the only slight issue being they have only ONE customer,The Minister For Health.

    It may well be that their current "Non-Statutory" status represents a bit of an obstacle to their planning going forward,and I would expect some movement quite soon to "regularize" the Team's position on the Administrative ladder.

    As the situation currently stands,NPHET and it's role now requires reassessmant.

    If,as might be thought,the ACTUAL health service authority,the HSE have been learing anything during the past 18 months,then the time for them to reassert their Authority is now.

    Whether the HSE HAS in fact done any learning is open to discussion,but the beauty of NPHET's current role is the shield it provides for a variety of assorted hangers-on whose opinions,decisions and recommendations are deemed beyond question.

    To quote the old time Election Posters....Time For Change !! 😀


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart



    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,466 ✭✭✭corcaigh07




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,726 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    One of the last questions Tony was asked at the briefing was if an outdoor concert go ahead only for vaccinated people would he approve?

    A very blunt answer - he wouldn't have any concerns from a public health point of view in such a situation.

    Huge blow to the govts policy of 200 at a gig but 40k at Croker



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Well my friends arrived into Dublin airport a little while ago. No one checked for vaccine certs, pcr tests or locator forms at either end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    The govt are clearly sick of it all at this stage. It'll be interesting to see what advice NPHET provide this week, and how much of it will be ignored by govt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,950 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Can anyone answer me this. Flying home from Canada in a few weeks, fully vaccinated and I have my proof of this in my medical app that BC gives us.

    Will that be enough to get into restaurants and pubs? Or am I goosed?



  • Registered Users Posts: 481 ✭✭mariab21


    Imagine we could have followed Belfast concert and sporting events and had things like negative test required or proof of vaccine to be allowed enter.

    Alot of mayo kids be unhappy if there parents don't take them to the game as Tony dosnt want it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭crooked cockney villain


    Only last week our blabbering, incoherent, mumbling buffoon of a Taoiseach said this shyt would be going on well into next year, make no mistake about it.


    This weekend said eejit is pictured at an All Ireland Final surrounded by five times the capacity of the Point Depot. While he would argue all these 40,000 were outdoors and the Point is indoors, 98% of these people mingled in pubs or very tightly outdoors, a good percent of them rammed on to bollix to social distancing coaches, buses and trains to get there.

    He cops serious flak for his attendance while gigs etc remain shut.

    Today, his health minister pledges that all restrictions will be gone by Christmas, at the latest.

    The most negative man in Ireland, a man who has refused to give even a sliver of positivity in the entire 18 months, who only knows words like cautious, and concerned, and crucial, then slides in and says it should be well before Christmas. He's saying today Electric Picnic should be allowed go ahead- WTF was he a month ago when it was being cancelled? (note- I'm not going myself)

    None of these three men have even once given an indication that our lives would ever return to exactly how they were prior to March 2020- today two of them tried outdoing each other saying, from my reading, as early as October, no later than Christmas. I nearly thought one of them might use those verboten of words in Ireland, Freedom Day, such was their fervour.


    What exactly is going on here? Have the government's social media monitors noticed some sort of furious uptick of comments by normal people who aren't on some lunatic register of Gemma O'Doherty types?


    We have went from not an ounce of positivity given since, I'd say, August 2020, to a **** firesale of it since this morning. It reminds me of the Arab Spring, where after protestors shut these countries down the terrified government started cancelling states of emergencies and handing out freedoms like snuff at a wake (or sniff at a wedding, to give it a more modern relevant adoption).


    What exactly has spooked these negative bastards in the last....7 hours.....to bring all this about?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    This is what they said would happen. The relentless negativity here could not hear it for all the shrieking



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Can you point out where they said it wouldn’t? It’s only in this and similar echo chambers where the spectre of permanent restrictions gained any traction.

    what they said was delaying at the end of June would give the vaccination programme a chance and the delta wave would peak in September by which time we would be in a far better position. If you read and listen to statements without the preconceived notion that they love restrictions and want them to remain forever, what is said is not sinister.



  • Registered Users Posts: 481 ✭✭mariab21


    Explain why several European counties with more cases and or less vaccines done have far less restrictions than us



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭HerrKapitan


    "...unvaccinated avoid especially if travelling by public transport or getting something to eat beforehand"

    Tony is calling for public transport and restaurants to be vaccinated only?

    He is going to be very jealous when the government will be following Macrons lead on Thursday. Maybe that is why he is gone twitter happy this week.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Because they made different choices.

    But, point of fact, only the uk, Cyprus and Montenegro have higher cases than us currently in Europe, yet we are still signalling further relaxations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭crooked cockney villain


    Well, health minister Simon Harris said in April 2020 that pubs wouldn't return to full regular service until a vaccine had been distributed.

    The generally accepted timeline for this in April 2020 was between three years and never. Yes, never. Many experts pointed out how there's no vaccine for ebola, HIV, Marburg et al and developing one for this was not a given.

    The UK, by contrast, gave dates, in line with vaccination percentages, around February. With Freedom Day scheduled for June, then cancelled briefly.

    When the UK was giving dates for Freedom Day our government refused to say when we might be able to go and buy a new pair of socks.


    The difference and treatment of the public is staggering.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭crooked cockney villain


    And last week they were floating further restrictions.

    Mehole gets photo'd at the All Ireland and 48 hours later they do a 360 like some terrified 3rd world despot who has just been told that the protestors have seized the airport and the army is refusing to shoot them. NPHET and the government appear to fear the public for the first time during this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    EP promoters straight out of the blocks after that CMO comment today!





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,646 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES(x2), And So I Watch You From Afar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,646 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    It's not, "sick, psychological warfare," though. I'm not a fan either but calling for mask wearing for under 70s to be barred by law is OTT IMHO.

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES(x2), And So I Watch You From Afar



  • Registered Users Posts: 481 ✭✭mariab21


    Another Govt U Turn and now Micheall and Leo will meet the entertainment industry with Catherine Martin on Monday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Following the science



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Well, the plan is due to be announced on Tuesday next and they will be in it so how is it a U-turn?



  • Registered Users Posts: 481 ✭✭mariab21


    A u turn by stating they would not be attending and sending department officials 24 hours ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,274 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    Purely going on the basis of the poster who gave the Twitter link. Good to hear he's happy to try and get there sooner. Unfortunately didn't have the time or the inclination to fact check it.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    This thread:-)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 481 ✭✭mariab21




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,480 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Why do they keep talking about unvaccinated people being at "high risk".

    Surely a healthy 20 year old is nowhere near high risk.



  • Registered Users Posts: 620 ✭✭✭aidoh


    Woody I disagree with you that outdoor runs are unsafe from a C19 point of view.

    But I simply have to give it up to you for running a marathon in a phenomenal time!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Well it is relaxation of restrictions thread.

    Cant wait to run another marathon.

    Thank you, I have a small amount of talent and is something I enjoy immensly which helps.



  • Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭godzilla1989


    It’s ridiculous isn’t it and never questioned

    Its utter rubbish

    Giving off the vibe a 65+ vaccinated person with comorbidities is protected and 20 year old healthy unvaccinated are in danger and not protected

    The truth is a fully vaccinated 65+ year old has a CHR ( case hospitalisation rate ) of 10% right now and a 20 year old healthy adult a 0.10% CHR

    An unvaccinated 20 year old is about 100 times less likely to end up in hospital than a 65+ year old with comorbidities and fully vaccinated

    Protected my hole

    Its still very dangerous for an old person to be exposed to Covid and they’d want to be made aware of it with winter coming

    They’ve a 1 in 10 chance of ending up in hospital if they get infected , granted it was 1 in 20/25 without vaccines



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭crooked cockney villain


    bUt l0nG C0v1d!!!!!!!

    I keep saying, the protection mandate keeps changing

    March 2020- we need to shut down society to prevent hospitals collapsing. Fair enough

    Summer 2020- the hospitals won't collapse but the elderly and vulnrable are still in danger. Fair enough

    March 2020- the elderly are all double jabbed but the virus poses a serious risk to everyone else. Hmm. that's a bit of a departure from what we already know.

    Summer 2021- the Delta variant is of severe risk to people as young as 40 who have only had one jab. Ehhhh you're pushing it now lads

    July/ 2021- the Delta variant is of severe risk of causing Long Covid and even death in teenagers and children. We are putting the lives of teenage bar staff at risk by re opening pubs. No, now you can phuck right off now with this.

    August 2021- nearly there, just offer your children up for vaccines despite pretty much no other country doing it and children being of little to no risk of having a serious bout of Covid. This was when we truly entered the dark side- gambling children won't get ill or die off a vaccine over a virus we categorically know will not kill them.

    The world seems to have collectively forgotten that having a weeks or even months long hangover after a bout of any virus, but winter flu being the most common, is not anything unheard of or particularly rare. Also, as a condition that relies almost entirely on self reporting and often doesn't manifest itself in anything physically visible to a doctor (vomiting, bleeding, diahorrea etc) it leaves it right open to abuse for people who are after a myriad of things- sympathy, attention and, most importantly, extended leave from work on benefits.

    Long Covid does exist, but it is a- nothing new to suffer a long hangover from a virus, and b- almost certainly exaggerated in terms of amount of people catching it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 42 123Dublin456


    If 50 percent of covid cases in the icu are under 50 then it means that those in 20s and 30s and 40s are basically just as likely to end up in icu as a vaccinated over 50. That in itself is very significant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭crooked cockney villain


    I wonder has this sudden sea change come about because they got advanced notice that the North is on the brink of a full re opening?

    The gap between Northern pubs re opening and ours was bad enough, but the idea that people living in North Louth/ Donegal being able to go to nightclubs in Newry/ Derry and get a taxi home, but not be allowed to listen to live music in their local pub the following day, may have stretched the logic defying levels to a scale that even these clowns couldn't justify any longer.


    Either way something bizarre is afoot- Micheal Martin effectively said last week that nightclubs, large gigs and pubs that operate as pubs were not going to be a reality until next Spring. Tony Holohan has now hinted that he believes it may be possible by October or November, Stephen Donnelly has claimed Christmas is the worst case scenario.

    There has neither been a collapse in cases, a surge in vaccinations or any other shifting metric to explain why they have suddenly come out with this mere days after Micheal Martin wrote this winter off.


    The only realistic reason is they have read the room regarding how the public can't fathom how this brain donor of a Taoiseach can attend a 40,000 person match while banning any other type of large gathering.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It’s only a sea change in some peoples imagination. Many have seen this coming.

    Throughout they have been reluctant to give detailed paths as too often events have shifted those paths. There is no way if the delta variant had not emerged that we would still have current restrictions. Decisions have not been flagged well in advance as events overtake plans



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  • Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭godzilla1989


    No it doesn’t

    Go through the data

    5% of the daily cases are from 65+ and over 40% of the daily hospitalisations come from that group



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