Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

I really like the way seamus (above) predicted that the nutters would say that FDA approval was rushed. Tells you a lot about Fox in case you didn;t know. What these people miss is that the number of doses given (hundreds of millions) can provide more evidence about safety and efficacy much more quickly than any set of trials ever conducted.

It's been approved to give to over 16's, why then are we pumping it into 12-15 year olds?

It also confirms that the vaccine increases risk of heart inflammation, particularly among young men in the week following their second shot.

I read this forum more than I post, and I have picked up a lot of useful and helpful information on here. Thank you for your polite response, I've seen many posters being dismissed as stupid and that's putting it mildly, if they show concerns about the vaccines.

My grandchildren are in that age group, so yes I'm concerned, and despite what you say, if I had children that age, unless they were vulnerable, I have too many reservations to allow for them to be vaccinated.

There is an assumption that is taken to be self evident that the risk from covid is greater than from the vaccine and while this is undoubately true for older people it is less clearcut as you go down the age groups. Very few teenagers and young adults have died of covid. But there are documeted cases of children dying from the vaccine in places where it has been given to them.

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It's always hard to balance real risk -v- potential risk. If your child gets the vaccine, then there is a real risk of myocarditis. If they don't, then there is a potential risk of myocarditis, if they contract covid.

There's a certain element of the trolley problem in this. If they get vaccine and develop a side effect, then you'll blame yourself. If they get covid instead and develop a serious complication, it's an act of God.

The reason it was approved in the light of Delta was the massively heightened risk of contracting covid. I've seen figures that myocarditis is 6 times more likely from covid than from the vaccine.

Imagine the rate of myocarditis from the vaccine is 1 in 10,000. And you have a million kids to vaccinate. Then 100 of them will develop mycardities.

This means that myocarditis from covid is 6 in 10,000. If you vaccinate nobody and 10% of kids (100,000) contract covid, then you will have 60 mycarditis cases.

So given these figures, the better solution is to not vaccine kids.

However, the reality is that with Delta it's likely that 50% or more of an unvaccinated population will eventually contract it. So if you don't vaccinate the over-12s, you now have 300 cases of mycarditis (and the rest) instead of 100 cases if you do vaccinate.

These are simplistic figures, but illustrate why the the decision was ultimately made to extend vaccination to the 12-16 age group.

Hopefully most of those avail of the mixed vaccines, there were a lot who didn't want a second dose of AZ that can now get Pfizer/Moderna (whether they're right in not wanting AZ is an entirely different discussion).

More Paul Reid numbers!

Thank you for your response, nicely laid out in simple terms. I've always found your posts very balanced, unlike some, who would frog march every man, woman and child to a vaccination centre, and completely dismiss anyone with concerns with reams of links and data!

I hear what you are saying, I really do, and I'm fully vaccinated myself. All you see being reported is the people who have died from Covid, and not being vaccinated. i don't know anyone who had Covid, but I do know personally two people (young) who had a very bad reaction to the vaccine a couple of days after taking it, and one was in fact hospitalised, coincidence ? I don't know,they very well could be, I'm sure the facts will come out in time but we are not allowed talk about these cases, and only how great the vaccine is gets reported. Are my views being coloured by my own experience......Probably, but then, it's easy to dismiss people's concerns

I no longer trust our government, CMO or our media, in fact, I no longer listen to the news at all. To me, they are pushing too hard to get the kids vaccinated, will they make it mandatory to go back to school? If not, I'm sure they will find a way to segregate the kids who are not vaccinated, just like they have with the indoor dining cert, call me a stubborn old fool, but I refuse to use the cert to go inside to sit down for a coffee, while other people are being treated like outcasts, not a society I want to be part of, and before anyone say it's a temporary measure, I won't be holding my breath!

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No, they can't.

They won't. Aside from any other arguments, there aren't the resources to do it.

Unvaccinated teenagers will only be treated differently in relation to close contacts. Vaccinated close contacts will be allowed to remain in school. Unvaccinated ones will be sent home to self-isolate.

50% is pretty good, considering they're only up a couple of weeks. If we hit 75% in that cohort I'd be impressed.

One theory I've heard is that many might be away on staycations or outside the country with their families. Such families know they can register and quickly get a vaccine as soon as they return home.

Do they take second shots at walk-ins?

Depending where you are, but a lot of people are getting the second shot between day 17 and 21 (not always mind).

Walk-in vaccination clinics open this weekend for first and second doses - Independent.ie Here they say that they do 2nd shots. Has anyone gone into one between day 17 and 21 and gotten the shot? The article says Pfizer is 21 days but if you arrive anyway will they turn you away at day 19 for example?

I have zero dilemma as to whether covid is dangerous or not. For me it is not, I'm not scared, nor anybody in my family and we will never ever take any suspicious vaccine just because main media are saying so. I read information form across Europe and I can see resistance in vaccinations. Moreover-why we have such a big number of covid cases while at the same time the nation is nearly fully vaccinated?