Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

IMO that can only be because they genuinely believed there was no or minimal risk of the Aghan government and army not holding out long enough to complete the withdrawl with plenty of time to spare. Even if Biden was personally callous and complacent about the risks of a chaotic withdrawal, he must surely have recognised the political damage he would sustain from a Saigon 1975-style scenario.

Isn't this the part where I'm supposed to dismiss cnn as lamestream media and not acknowledge that the president is making a dogs dinner out of this. Should I deflect and try to redirect to a conversation about the media? I guess not because cult-like reverence isn't my thing, although the irony of your question appears to be lost on you.

the media is what it is. different news orgs slant things in a certain way to appeal to their audience. but the story is the story. there are only so many ways you can paint the story - people understand the core of the matter - i would hope. debating the virtues of CNN is tedious- there are so many news outlets that people can use as a resource - better yet go to the horses mouth -the people who are actually there and are experiencing things - talk to them. listen to them. seriously this forum needs to become less of a rant and rave and more of a informed discussion on things.

its debatable tbh - Biden himself has called himself centre- left and some of his policies are more left winged than expected in a political party that defines itself as left. Not sure what difference it makes at this stage as he has been elected purely due to his party affiliation. the decisions he makes effects everyone whether left or right. strangely - i define myself as left wing but after the debacle of the withdrawal from afghanistan i am identifying more with what right wing says. maybe people should identify themselves as truth seekers rather than im right or left - its all BS anyway- trying to classify ideologies. just be yourself and follow your core. its all labels and labels don't allow people to grow.

When it comes to war, the major networks lean very much to the right.

Trump got glowing bipartisan news reports when he bombed a Syrian province.

MSNBC among others is loaded up with Neocon war mongers on hourly while as you see Biden has got his harshest criticism for daring to withdraw troops.

Its repugnant , but it is what it is.

So you don't know that he lied then.

He probably did, but as others have pointed out, what else could he have said? He wanted to leave, it is most definitely the right thing to do and wayyyyyy overdue, but given the mess that it was, leaving it could not be done without being problematic either.

America, across the board, should pay attention to the entire experience and not just get caught up in the disaster that leaving is (and was always going to be).

America went to war in Afghanistan on the back of 3000 people having being killed by terrorists. The US nearly lost as many soliders in Afghanistan as they did in the attacks that proceeded the war. Over 100 times that number have died in Afghanistan since 2001. They spent 20 years, over 2 trillion dollars, over 300,000 lives and the loss of peace and prosperity for an entire generation. The US is losing twice the number of people that died in the 9/11 attacks every week from Covid. This whole experience should be a lesson to their public, their elected representatives and their President that they should never again allow warmongers and their lobbyists to advocate for such death and destruction for so long.

Turning out to be a very successful operation despite what the scaremongering media have been saying.

Agree. The last President should never have reduce the body processing visa for Afghanis who had helped America.

Lol. Posting about common sense with a tweet from a Governor who currently test positive for Covid last week and how brought in a law preventing covid mandates.

Trump didnt like taking questions from actual reporters either, only from his pre approved OAN and Newsmax groupies.

Problem with that is, are you not cutting the ground from beneath Ghani's government by tacitly accepting they are doomed to collapse?

It goes to show the hypocrisy in the claims from Trump supporters that Biden has done this wrong. It is only wrong in that Trump didn't do it. They claim to be aghast at the situation, but offer nothing as to what should be done differently.

And it mirrors Trump. He is simply railing against Biden doing it, not it actually being done.

Many have claimed that this is a massive loss for Biden. I, and others, argue that actually the typical American doesn't much care, and certainly won't in a few months when it is all done and dusted. This is exactly what they wanted.

It is hard to square the treatment of Muslims, disdain for BLM, almost manic hatred of southern border refugees, with an apparent new found compassion for the people of Afghanistan.

That why it is relevant to the Biden thread. Because of the clear double standards.