Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Do you get a choice of where to go on this vacation? No tyrannical government will force me to go to Santa Ponza

I am sorry, but that is just absolute nuts stuff right there

“the last few weeks was like a effort to wring a few more suicides out of the population”

It's perfectly simple. Tony and the rest of the Oprichnina have realised they've gone too far. They'd rather ban what they can and retreat from banning what they can't, than fight a rearguard action.

They will regroup, and try to ban as much as they can in autumn and winter.

I don't blame the man. If I had disgraced myself during my career, and suddenly found an opening by which people worshipped me for saving them from bees, I would absolutely be selling as many beekeeper outfits as possible to keep myself in the market.

I would like to know why there is seemingly so much resistance to running T-SPOT and antibody testing for immunity, now that we have them.

First we heard about SARS-CoV-2 was in Wuhan, China, at the beginning of 2020. Videos out of China of people dropping dead in the street (a phenomenon which has yet to be repeated anywhere outside of China) and people being welded into their apartment blocks surely scared the bejesus out of people. As did the video out of Lombardy And yet we know that:

• Retroactive testing showed that SARS-CoV-2 was detected in thawed sewage samples taken from Barcelona in MARCH 2019.
• The testing of blood samples provided by patients in an Italian lung cancer trial showed SARS-CoV-2 specific antibodies in 11.6% of individuals starting from SEPTEMBER 2019.
• A statement from the WHO says that "WHO is working with a number of countries that have reported detection of SARS-CoV-2 in samples from stored biological specimens from 2019."

The fact that 11.6% of participants in European cancer trial in September 2019 had antibodies (confirmed by blind retesting of pre-pandemic blood samples, facilitated by the WHO and undertaken by international laboratories) is an extraordinary thing in and of itself. All of them asymptomatic.

Given what is on the line and the extraordinary and unprecedented authoritarian measures that have been imposed on the people of the world, I think we need to know the true picture of how much immunity exists in the population as a matter of urgency.

We also need an independent and open review of exactly how many people died of Covid-19, as opposed to "with" SARS-CoV-2 present.

We need to know exactly how likely a false positive PCR test result was, with every brand used and at every cycle threshold. When did cycle threshold change, and why?

Current advice is not to PCR test people who are known to have recovered from Covid within the last 6 months, or people who have been fully vaccinated, because residual nucleic acid from either could turn up a false positive (purely a coincidence that these are also the people currently able to avail of a "vaccine dividend, I'm sure). It's believed that a quarter of infections (but anything from 1.4% up to 78.3%) have been asymptomatic. How can we know that a PCR-positive "case" is not just residual nucleic acid from a previous asymptomatic infection?

Additionally, we need randomised testing of any historical organic samples still in storage to see what the immunity picture was last year, before and during the time that most of the world locked down and exerted evolutionary pressure on SARS-CoV-2 to become more transmissible.

The human and economic fallout from lockdowns is huge. We deserve to have the whole puzzle pieced together, methodically, independently, and with all possible data, and to understand the exact impact that these measures had, the logic that was used in the decision-making, how the affected the evolution of the virus, how much they were driven or exacerbated by media, how behavioural sciences were brought to bear, how much unnecessary fear was stoked in citizens to beget compliance, and how to avoid such a gigantic **** show happening ever, ever again.

I mis-typed. It's people who have recovered in the last 9 months, and fully vaccinated.

"In general, someone who has vaccine protection or a person who has had a positive test for SARS-CoV-2 in the previous nine months should not be tested for SARS-CoV-2 unless they develop symptoms suggestive of COVID-19. This statement encompasses people who are identified as close contacts of COVID-19 cases but who are noted to have tested positive in the previous nine months. Exceptions may apply based on risk assessment (for example if there is a specific concern about exposure to a particular variant that is expected to evade the immune response to previously circulating variants, if a person is immunocompromised or in certain high risk settings). The application of this guidance should take account of the epidemiological situation (time and place) in which the sample is taken. In general terms, a high Ct value/low viral load result in an asymptomatic person is more likely to represent residual RNA detection of no public health or infection prevention and control (IPC) significance in a situation in which the incidence of infection in the population is low and falling."

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/guidance/outbreakmanagementguidance/PCR%20weak%20results%20guidance.pdf

On the job early this morning, raind.

You: "the Italian study, when you look at the data, found pretty much the same proportion in every individual population assessed, be it month, area etc."

The study: "SARS-CoV-2 RBD-specific antibodies were detected in 111 of 959 (11.6%) individuals, starting from September 2019 (14%), with a cluster of positive cases (>30%) in the second week of February 2020 and the highest number (53.2%) in Lombardy. This study shows an unexpected very early circulation of SARS-CoV-2 among asymptomatic individuals in Italy several months before the first patient was identified, and clarifies the onset and spread of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic."

Quoting the abstract here certainly means that I have only read the abstract and could not possibly mean anything else. Well done, you.

Quite frankly, raind, I'm angry and not in the mood for you today. Muting you until it amuses me not to again. Good luck with all the deboonking and cheering on any and all new/increased restrictions and surveillance. Must be a trip.

BTW - people can click through and read the study for themselves, and the truth will eventually out. Your misinformation here is for nought.