What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

Klaz you criticise me for nitpicking. Then have a go at trying to nit pick at me personally.

Can you tone down the ad hominems there.

Off topic too but in reply Charlie is dead and Bertie is hardly a political heavy weight in this country any longer.

But sure you will probably throw another ad hominem my way rather than actually address anything in my posts as is your way.

Well first off that's five years old and second off there is a huge difference between wanting something and being willing to do anything to enact it.

I notice how you ignore how few of them supported terrorism in the same article and how they predominantly felt part of British society. So you took the few negatives and ignored the positive aspects of how they view life in Britain.

There is that ignoring the actual points again.

Are Bertie and Charlie controlling multiculturalism or what was the purpose of naming them?

Well actually that's not true is it klaz. Wibbs caveated his question by excluding arts food and sports etc.

So in response I asked about the positives of Irish society with the same caveats and guess what we got there?

Guinnes farts and nothing else positive about Irish society.

But you know why that was klaz because its a stupid question.

Didn't see the latest request for this but I know all suggestions in the past were dismissed as being inconsequential.

At least some of the ones I've either mentioned, or seen mentioned include;

Exposure to shared music, fashion, cuisine, sport etc are some of the obvious ones which most people experience every day or several times a week. These are ones about each of which a book or several books could, or have been written, about how much joy people get from experiencing these things or creating new versions with overlap from their original components.

Cultural insights in to targeting new markets due to having people from that country/culture within the company to aid with product design, strategic planning, marketing etc etc is a significant one for business. That's not to mention the practical advantage of having a native speaker to be a point of contact with representatives from elsewhere.

A very significant premise of the act of tourism could be said to be based on multiculturalism and the eagerness people have to experience things outside their norm. And how much industry, jobs, money, memories etc are created and enjoyed as a consequence of this shared experience?

Shared collaboration in fields of technology, science, medicine are more likely to happen when people have casual/social interactions through which friendships can form which will help strengthen professional communication. That's not to mention the skills which have originated and been passed down largely within a specific culture and which are best shared through tacit communication of people working together rather than just via a webpage.

Fulfilling a moral obligation in helping those in need is something which some countries such as Ireland benefitted from in the past and benefit from doing likewise now that we are in a position to do so. That's not to mention the obligations other countries have in supporting people displaced as a consequence of the actions of many countries either recently or in the not too distant past of some of the countries in which people such as your good selves are vehemently arguing should not have to put up with immigrants from the lands they helped disturb.

And a big one in the world which is the 21st century is that the more interaction there is between people, and the more there are collective groups within different countries then the more likely such countries are to realise that people are very similar and ultimately want the same thing (peace and a reasonable shot at a positive outlook in life) and a mutually beneficial approach to disagreements/negotiations is better for all involved. People talk about the rising dangers as a consequence of multiculturalism in Europe, Europe has seen is most peaceful period since the foundation of the EU (whatever it was originally called) when the integration of people of different cultures (yes different cultures existed and still do within Europe) showed how not everything had to be resolved through threats/barriers/conflict.

So, why don't you, or anyone else talk about what are the negatives of multiculturalism but before you do, let me point out that religious fanatics or fanatics of other persuasions exist within the boundaries of every country. We also see people complain, vehemently, about social welfare dependent societies in other countries as well so again, this already exists. Are immigrants responsible for rising house prices in Ireland or increased education or medical costs in the US? It was those of an imperialist/nativist nature in the UK who sought to economically hamstring that country through seeking to move towards isolation rather than continued integration with Europe. If 1000 people a year are killed in the US through terrorism carried out by immigrants (a vastly inflated number), should efforts to stop this massively outweigh the efforts to stem gun violence in that country which kills 30 or 40 times the number of people every year? We've seen groups of sexual predators find likeminded people within the catholic church, within police forces, within the boy scouts, within sporting organisations etc, etc in western countries so don't pretend that such crimes would not exist if all people from the middle east are kept out of western countries or whatever. I'm not pretending, nor have I ever, that every person from every culture will dance hand in hand with each other without a problem but I am saying that where we are at as a species now, the engagement and interaction of people of different cultures is likely to be more beneficial than to be problematic on the whole. And I say that as someone proud of Irelands cultural heritage and I have no desire to supplant that overnight but I don't think that that is going to happen.

One final point I would make is that even the fact that you, or whoever is asking the question specifically about the benefits of multiculturalism, undermines the points that were being made on this thread this morning where it was said people had no problem with immigrants, it was just those who overstay their visas or try to enter a country illegally is the problem. Asking that question, and implying that there was gaping silence (and as I've said it's been answered here before) is making it clear that some people do not think there are benefits to the interaction of people of different cultures. This is not just about legal pathways or or whatever.

^^^ Why doesn't this surprise me, previous poster was complaining when there was 'gaping silence' to a question, when a detailed response is given, it's waved off as being 'a lot of waffle'.

Interesting how you ignored the part of my post where I asked for someone to specifically state the problems they have with multiculturalism.

You didn't answer that, but you're blase comments about Spotify, discounting tourism as not being multiculturalism when it shows a specific desire to experience, interact and learn about about other cultures and how you are ok with people of different cultures coming to Ireland as long as they are educated and from the EU does paint a picture of why you have an issue with anything beyond that.

Maybe you might answer my question in your next post.

Healthier cuisine pallet. I rarely eat over salted Bacon and cabbage these days.