What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

Ah yes the old reliable - the food, the different clothes and now it seems the music.

FFS what a crock of shyte.

And here we have another one of the old gotos thrown in - the mention of immigrants.

Lets make sure we say immigrants so that we can lump in the Poles, Americans, Brazilians, British, etc who usually integrate very well and have come here due to free travel areas or on valid visas with those with no visas, little education, questionable backgrounds and most often an unwillingness to integrate.

Why not add in the numbers linked to ISIS, al-qaeda, Boko Haram, Ansar al-Sharia, Hamas, Al-Shabaab ?

Ah but sure they are only less than maybe half a million fighters.

But then add in all the supporters because after all these guys don't operate in a vacuum.

Remember how much support terrorists got in Molenbeek.

Here is interesting fact for you.

Belgian police have found 51 organisations with links to terrorism links in Moleenbeek.

And the 102 organisations with links to crime.

Why don't you remind the Belgians of the pluses of multiculturalism.

Even if you discount the hardcore islamists as a few million, most of the islamic world has values and outlooks incompatible to modern western secular societies.

Anytime anyone asks about secular democracies in the muslim world the usual refrain is what about Turkey, Malaysia and Indonesia with their massive muslim the massive populations.

But of course those chirping in with those countries don't bother mentioning about the rise of fundamentalism and conservative islam in those countries never mind the fact that in some areas of those countries outside of the large urban westernised centres there has always been more conservative islam in operation.

In northeast Malay Peninsula you have the conservative Pan-Malaysian Islamic Party (PAS) whilst over in Indonesia hard-line groups like the Islamic Defenders Front have been active for twenty years, often carrying out vigilante violence in many parts of the country against people and groups they accused of doing immoral activities.

Yes in these countries hardline groups haven't attained national power but they do wield power and influence in certain parts of these countries.

I also recall before the referendum in 2004 there was plenty of Africans coming here in the final stages of pregnancy so the nipper could get an Irish passport and the folks could stay on here. Anchor babies I believe the term was. Anyway paddy got sick of getting scammed and put an end to it in the referendum!

Someone on boards once said; "Aye. Never ascribe conspiracy to something when incompetence is by far the more likely."

The legislation that created that loophole was an oversight by the cabinet of the day in agreeing the wording of the constitutional amendment. And was overlooked by the population when voting despite being highlighted as a risk in the referendum pamphlet published prior to the vote.

"The new Article 2 will give a constitutional right of citizenship to anyone born in Ireland. This will make it very difficult to change the laws on citizenship and it may prevent the enactment of necessary laws to regulate immigration."

"At least we'll have better footballers..."

Maybe not.

In any case I don’t think the world would end up a homogeneous blob, but rather I take a different view to your argument that we would end up with no distinct cultures.

Irish culture and traditions and values, just to take one example, has endured in spite of centuries of immigration, emigration, and so on. The thing is, if you or I were asked to define what is meant by Irish culture, we’d likely come up with two different collections of ideas. Different blends if you will…*

That’s really the objective so to speak of my supporting multicultural societies. Not because it condemns immigrants to live in shìt, plenty of Irish people living in shìt already, but because different perspectives can often inspire unique perspectives, only of course if they aren’t holed up in DP centres and what have you, but rather given a real opportunity to contribute to society, instead of being written off as only coming into the country to take advantage of our ever so generous welfare system.

*That train of thought while it has always been something I’ve argued, it may be being influenced today by a whiskey I was made aware of it’s existence this morning (still arguing with myself as to whether I should order a bottle 😂) -

I don’t need a best example? In any case I’m already aware that no example would satisfy you and yours, so I don’t waste my time. You’re not actually responsible for immigration, integration, multiculturalism or social policies, so I don’t know why you imagine I should have to convince you personally of anything or come up with even a good example of what I was referring to and what I mean by multiculturalism.

It’s obviously not the same as what you’re suggesting should be regarded as multiculturalism while only being focused on the negative consequences of ill-conceived social policies, and calling that multiculturalism as though it’s an example anyone wants to aspire to. That’s just bad faith argument and you know it.

Because the only success stories are countries like USA and Canada and Australia where the native population was wiped out.