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Remote working - the future?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    High fives all round, guys.

    Neato.

    There will be zero teeth to the legislation, all apsirational fluff.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    hardyian wrote: »
    Productivity may have gone up, many employees report feeling anxious and burned out. Unless leaders address the sources of employee anxiety, pandemic-style productivity gains may prove unsustainable in the future. That’s because anxiety is known to reduce job satisfaction, negatively affect interpersonal relationships with colleagues, and decrease work performance.

    Thinking of the commute gives me anxiety and I would be wrecked by the time I'd get to the office so I'd likely not start working straight away. Then I'd be out the gap at 5:30 on the button to catch the train, not really wanting to get something done at a trade off to missing my train! Repeating this process would make me tired and therefore stressed and less productive at work.


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    hardyian wrote: »
    Productivity may have gone up, many employees report feeling anxious and burned out. Unless leaders address the sources of employee anxiety, pandemic-style productivity gains may prove unsustainable in the future. That’s because anxiety is known to reduce job satisfaction, negatively affect interpersonal relationships with colleagues, and decrease work performance.

    Yeah, commuting to work and being in a stuffy office without the convenience of home really makes me feel anxious. That's why I was so productive this past year.

    Unless leaders address the sources of employee anxiety, pandemic-style productivity gains may prove unsustainable in the future. That’s because anxiety is known to reduce job satisfaction, negatively affect interpersonal relationships with colleagues, and decrease work performance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭cronos


    hardyian wrote: »
    Productivity may have gone up, many employees report feeling anxious and burned out. Unless leaders address the sources of employee anxiety, pandemic-style productivity gains may prove unsustainable in the future. That’s because anxiety is known to reduce job satisfaction, negatively affect interpersonal relationships with colleagues, and decrease work performance.

    Funnily enough "Employees report" tends to be a summary spun by what HR want and really HR are just senior management stooges, thus it's a spin HR want. Competition will eliminate companies that try to pull this. If you are so concerned about their feelings let them choose to work from home or within the office. Now you can make a good argument to say they should be within commuting distance so that teams can meet up at short notice if it's necessary, but that can be done at a wework.


  • Registered Users Posts: 538 ✭✭✭Young_gunner


    Yeah, commuting to work and being in a stuffy office without the convenience of home really makes me feel anxious. That's why I was so productive this past year.

    Unless leaders address the sources of employee anxiety, pandemic-style productivity gains may prove unsustainable in the future. That’s because anxiety is known to reduce job satisfaction, negatively affect interpersonal relationships with colleagues, and decrease work performance.

    Yes, totally. back in 2019, I was happy enough to commute and wfh 1 day per week, but the past 16 months mean I cannot revert back to that mindset. I am sure many many people feel the same way.

    A lady in our office has bought a house in Limerick and is simply not going to move back to Dublin, she has worked perfectly fine from there in the last 16 months.
    This is the future.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    4 people share how being able to work remotely forever has changed their lives: ‘I don’t have to choose between work and family’

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/01/as-return-to-office-debates-rage-fully-remote-workers-embrace-freedom.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 244 ✭✭hello2020


    zweton wrote: »

    wonder what will now stop these "REMOTE" jobs from being outsourced to cheaper countries like India or Philippines!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,236 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    hello2020 wrote: »
    wonder what will now stop these "REMOTE" jobs from being outsourced to cheaper countries like India or Philippines!!
    The same things that always did.
    Quality of work, access to EU market, talent acquisition and retention

    Make no mistake, jobs were being outsourced before covid. Location is not the preventer you seem to think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    Didn't some CEO (BNY I think) say recently 'if you want New York money you have to live in New York.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 254 ✭✭tooth*grinder


    ELM327 wrote: »
    The same things that always did.
    Quality of work, access to EU market, talent acquisition and retention

    Make no mistake, jobs were being outsourced before covid. Location is not the preventer you seem to think.

    not to mention the GDPR and the whole exporting of EU data to places that don't have a comparable level of data security.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,236 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    not to mention the GDPR and the whole exporting of EU data to places that don't have a comparable level of data security.
    A lot of that is solved by VPN and VMs that dont leave EU ;)


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    hello2020 wrote: »
    wonder what will now stop these "REMOTE" jobs from being outsourced to cheaper countries like India or Philippines!!

    This has been the case for years. Covid didn't introduce this concept.


  • Registered Users Posts: 254 ✭✭tooth*grinder


    ELM327 wrote: »
    A lot of that is solved by VPN and VMs that dont leave EU ;)

    That's not going to fly with the GDPR I don't believe.
    Plus vpn'ing to a VM? from India (for arguments sakes) ?
    That'll do wonders for your productivity and sanity.


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    hello2020 wrote: »
    wonder what will now stop these "REMOTE" jobs from being outsourced to cheaper countries like India or Philippines!!

    If the only thing saving your job is you sitting at a desk in an office, then your job is ripe for culling


  • Registered Users Posts: 538 ✭✭✭Young_gunner


    is anyone planning a return to office in the coming weeks / months?

    has anyone been able to secure a remote arrangement in future?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    He who pays the piper, calls the tune. So it'll come down to differing employment sectors, the practicalities of it and whatever tune the owners want to play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,149 ✭✭✭piplip87


    I have no intention of going back to an office. There is absolutely no need for it in my current role. Saving 400 quid a month in transportation costs so will have no problem looking for another role with less money to stay remote.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No. Employable workers now have the option of jumping ship and joining a company who offers the flexibility they desire.

    Dinosaur companies are welcome to employ those who are less attractive as employees.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Exactly this.

    I'll jump ship at a moments notice if they look to force me to change my 100% remote status.

    I don't plan on working onsite for the rest of my career



  • Registered Users Posts: 538 ✭✭✭Young_gunner


    I would very contentedly wfh for the rest of my career - it's a game changer in terms of quality of life, and work does not suffer in the slightest - quite the opposite.

    still some old fashioned firms trying to deny the pace of change though, which is causing anxiety



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    I'm part of wave one in the company I work for, they've cancelled the 2nd wave because of the rise in cases but I am happy to go into the office two days a week and work the rest remotely. Could I work remotely full time, yes quite happily but this hybrid arrangement is really good as it helps break up the week, see some colleagues and still get work done as not everyone is back in the office.

    Hybrid is the way forward.

    Its only a matter of time until we have 4 day work weeks ;)



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    While I understand that hybrid suits some people in terms of the social aspect, to be honest, I think hybrid is the worst of all options if your role can be done 100% remotely.

    1. You are forced to commute for x days for no real reason
    2. You lose the benefits of WFH for the days you are onsite again for no real reason
    3. You are out of pocket on the commuting costs
    4. You are (pandemic) putting yourself and others at risk of contracting covid for no good reason
    5. Etc etc etc




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    WFH offers the opportunity to relocate anywhere. Hybrid means you have to remain close to your work site.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Exactly

    Myself and the wife were trying to buy for years in Tuam, Athenry, Gort, to stay a reasonable commute away from Galway.

    Now I'm 100% wfh, we've just bought a far better place in Athlone for far less.

    No way we would have done that if we had to do ANY commuting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,090 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble



    Maybe.

    A recently advertised job in EA Games ( so not an old fashioned company) said something like:

    Agreement to long term WFH will require you to relocate to within 50 miles of our Galway or <<American city>> offices, before starting work.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Good thing I'm not forced to work there then. My company is allowing me to work anywhere I like.

    Like I said, employees seeking flexibility will find it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭The Student


    As it stands relocation within the same country is theoretically possible in respect of employment law and tax implications. Remote working in another jurisdiction is another story completely. Unless you can harmonise employment law and tax implications in all jurisdictions, this will not happen for employees. Should people wish to become self employed/contractor then this would not be an issue.

    For those who's skills are in demand they will be able to dictate to a large degree their working conditions in terms of location (special arrangements will be made for these people). In the general workforce these numbers would be in the extreme minority probably less than 20% of this type of worker.

    For the majority of people it will be the companies who ultimately decide where and how people work. For those companies who are unwilling to offer flexibility to their staff these companies will ultimately lose the best of their staff.

    There are IT security issues for small firms and working from home. Some small firms don't have the network security capabilities to allow remote working full time. Obviously this may change in time but I don't personally see it as a priority at the moment. Even from a cultural perspective we have this need to be "seen in the office" and this is enough to show we are working.

    Certainly the pandemic will improve the work like balance of some people (and wont make it any worse than it was pre pandemic for others) I think some people may be in for a shock post pandemic (eg those who would like either full time working from home or a hybrid model) if their employers want them back full time in the office.

    People will need to make some decisions for their future work arrangements if this includes securing alternative employment which includes a better work like balance.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It depends on whether your employer is domiciled in your country of choice. I have seen colleagues already move country because of this.


    PS: There is no post pandemic coming. Coronavirus is never going away.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Went to Belfast to physically meet employees on Wednesday. They seem to be getting on fine with the WFH, no doubt there are one or two who would rather be in an office, but there's definitely more happier with the current situation. I'm advising them to put some priority on socialising, sport, entertainment etc, now that they won't get any interaction through work. There certainly has been no impact on productivity, and the saving in rent is brilliant.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I have a theory that most of those opposed to WFH are people in unhappy relationships/marriages that they can't get out of and working in the office is their escape. Working from home must be a nightmare if you can't stand your partner and/or kids.

    Fair enough, if that's the case!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Ah, I think that's a bit unfair. Some people just liked going some place different to home, no doubt many of us made friends with work colleagues.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ah, it's just a theory. I can understand why some people like the office. I can also understand why some people don't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭The Student


    Yeah regarding having a presence in another jurisdiction you can be employed in the company in that jurisdiction.


    The majority of employers in Ireland don't have offices in other jurisdictions.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It depends on the sector, I suppose. Some sectors are dominated by multinational companies.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It massively expands the distance from the office at which you can live. 2 days a week in the office means one night in a friend's spare room for a bit of cash in hand. And one long drive in and one back out. Listening to an interesting podcast.

    I used to have to be in Dublin city but have now sorted a place in West Sligo. 2.5 hour drive in and back once week, with an overnight. And have arranged my regular place to stay. I would miss the office if it were to disappear and I never went back. This is the perfect arrangement for me.

    Hybrid gives you the flexibility to work out something that really suits



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What you're describing is my idea of a nightmare.

    Good luck with it, if you enjoy it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,452 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    That would not surprise me. I know of at least one person who could and probably should retire but admitted he wants to stay working in the office as long as possible to stay away from the wife.

    The office is many people's main social outlet, especially so for those who do very little work. A place to show off your new clothes and hairdo, chat, bitch, drink tea and avail of free biscuits, teabags, heat, toilet roll and internet.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I enjoy having a beach on one side and the mountains on the other for 5 days in a week, yes. Like I said, everyone can use the flexibility to design the situation that works best for them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭NuttyMcNutty


    What will they do with all the office space?, they won't keep a place going if there is not enough people to justify it. I refused to work from home as it doesn't suit me so they got me a desk in some other office block, fair enough it just beside where I live. I'd hate to be a junior programmer having to work from home as the office and colleagues is were you learn most, can't be calling them on teams every time you are stuck, be a pain in the arse for everyone.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Not really, it's the same as calling to someone's desk

    This is what some are struggling to understand, when you go fully remote it just changes the method by which you interact with colleagues, it doesn't stop the interaction.



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    It never, ever bothers me when someone contacts me on teams or any other medium for help, no matter how often they do. The attitude that it's a "pain in the arse" stinks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 538 ✭✭✭Young_gunner


    I actually way prefer it to someone coming over to my desk, it's far more efficient too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭glut22


    Nphet to disband in October as employees expected to return to office from September



    Back to office 13th September. I hope some good has come of this past 18 months and there is still mass WFH by choice. This article suggests this isnt a consideration but perhaps the guidance on Tuesday will advise employers to allow WFH where it is working well.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    It does stop a degree of the casual, unforced interaction that happens in corridors, at the water cooler, over coffee, the informal chats overheard and joined.


    There may be a degree of that, but there are also people for whom home is not a safe space, not safe from mental or physical abuse from a partner or a parent or housemate. The physical work location provides a degree of escape for some people. Mandatory WFH has taken this away.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Utter bastards, protecting us from the worst impacts of a dreadful virus, who the hell do they think they are?



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    I want to move on from the constant reporting of it. We have the vaccine. We have antiviral drugs. The virus is here to stay. Let's move forward.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There may be a degree of that, but there are also people for whom home is not a safe space, not safe from mental or physical abuse from a partner or a parent or housemate.

    That has nothing to do with WFH. I have to say, of all the anti-WFH stuff you have come out with over the last 18 months, that takes the biscuit

    Do better



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,090 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Nonsense: It has heaps to do with enforced WFH, which is what we have experienced so far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭blue_blue


    Think we'll be all back in the office full time by the end of the year unless your employer makes accommodation for WFH.



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