Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

1.2 million test results actually, and no need to plough through those 100`s of pages. New Scientist magazine did a nice little synopsis of that study. They even provided data from the study that make your claim of "efficacy drops of sharply after 6 months" look rather foolish. Efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine was 88% after one month. After 6 months it was 74%. A 14% drop after 5 months isn`t the sharp drop you were attempting to portray it as now is it ?

Your "after 12 months it is like you never had the shots" is just another of those things that nobody ever said that are a recurring theme on this thread, (or horse manure if you prefer) as there has been no study of efficacy after 12 months for the simple reason nobody has yet had the vaccine for 12 months.

Booster shots have been on order before this study was published, so rather than like hearing hoofbeats in the northern hemisphere and automatically thinking zebras, perhaps thinking booster shots and a virus that has shown it is very capable of mutating would be a better idea than spouting some baseless theory. Especially when there are yearly booster shots for influenza, so it`s not exactly some kind of new fangled idea on mutations.

Taking this thing off my head would do wonders for my headspace.

Hindsight my arse, a lot of the mistakes made were really obvious at the time.

Nursing homes for example, it was said by all and sundry that they needed particular attention due to the nature of this virus but instead they were criminally underprotected.

That is just one example, there are many more and plenty of people were pointing them out in advance.

I see the mayor of Derry has offered to host Electric Picnic... The DUP are really trying to push the party atmosphere lately, it wasn't so long ago they had locked up playgrounds on Sundays, next they'll be having their national conference in a gay bar in Dublin

You can use liberal, conservative, right wing or left wing as a way to describe things you don't like. We all embrace some form of propaganda or dogmatic beliefs and promote them consciously or otherwise.

So, what propaganda are you embracing?

I just drop into this thread from time to time, but every time I do, I notice your agenda against the vaccine.

You are obsessed with this drop in efficacy. Which was to be expected. Antibodies wane, so what. The "efficacy" in the report refers to infection. Whilst admittedly, the reduction is unfortunate and not ideal, it's also not unexpected. The report (and many others) clearly show that efficacy against severe illness/hospitalisation/death is still extremely high. That is "good news" in anyone's language. And until that starts to change, you have very little (if anything) to gloat about on here.

So now citing actual data from a study is propaganda, whereas a scaremongering statements of efficacy dropping of sharply after 6 months and after 12 months it is like you never had the shots, without a single figure to back up that statement is not propaganda. This thread just continues to get stranger by the day.

Wading through hundreds of pages is not going to change the facts. The drop of in efficacy of Pfizer`s vaccine in 5 months was 14%. Not the cliff face you were attempting to portray it as, and the "after 12 months it is like you never had the shots" is horse manure as there has been no study carried out on those who have been vaccinated for 12 months as they simply do not exist.

It seems that after all this time and all the discussion on these threads there are still some posters that do not understand what a mutating virus is and the need for booster shots. While they are doing so very effectively, the present vaccines were not even developed to counter the present mutation. I would have thought the need for an annual flu booster shot would have at least given them a hint, but they somehow appear to have picked up the belief that these vaccination were promised as some type of magic bullet virus sterilization shots.

Not so much talking shite I don't think, more so that putting a figure on it seems fairly pointless because as pointed out by a few posters here yesterday, 90% should be hit within about 2 weeks then allow say another 7-14 days after 2nd dose so as the minister says we'll hit 90% anyway.

I don't see the point in setting a target that you know is going to be hit shortly

Unless my memory is shot to hell or there is some form of public transport out there I have not yet used, I wouldn`t see wearing a face mask, as the man said as good manners, as some great impingement to the freedoms I had on public transport prior to this. If it is a help to those unable to avail of a vaccine I imagine it would also lower the number of influenza cases so all the better. Not just for the benefit of the health system, when you consider the pandemonium with hospital yearly due to influenza, but also for the economy by cutting back on working hours lost. Something I would have thought would be a consideration for all those that have questioned how we are going to pay for the hit to our economy because of this pandemic.