4 year olds able to change gender in Scotland

Common sense dictates you do not issue guidance that may exclude the parent(s) of a child from knowing everything regarding their child's behaviour and development when in the supposed care of a state or private institution.

That sounds like some made up bullsh1t mate.

For that kid, it might mean that school is a refuge from an oppressive home life. It means they have somewhere to go that they feel respected. Imagine if a child who says they're gay needed to get permission from home before their school will respect it. It's insane.

Showing respect for someone's identity is one of the most fundamental forms of respect there is; refusing to do so is about the most personal attack you can get. It's why bullying is so devastating. And it's also about the easiest form of respect to show. It takes absolutely zero effort, it has absolutely no impact on you, but to them it's everything.

Show me a 4yr old child that claims to be trans and I'll show you a neurotic 'munchausen by proxy' parent (typically the mother) that will mutilate their own child for clout and attention. The whole basis of 'rapid onset gender dysphoria' has been shown to be 'trans-trending' based on social contagen.

Mark my words, 20yrs from now there will be Magdeline Laundry style tribunals conducted to investigate how the state, once again, sent children into the arms of ideological institutions that abused them.

Many, many times. Identity is practically all they talk about. Who they are, who their friends are, who their family is, what they like to do.

Have YOU ever dealt with 4 year olds before?

When a four-year-old comes running up to you and says they're Spiderman, you don't go, "No you're not, you can't be Spiderman, stop talking bollox". Or maybe you do.

Any road, the thread title and the Daily Mail is just part of the same sensationalist bollox. It's a guideline issued to primary schools, therefore applies to kids anywhere between 4 and 13.

I supposed you think the guidelines should be, "Always tell them that they can't change gender and to stop being ridiculous. Until they turn 10, then you can change the message completely"

That won't be confusing at all.

Right, so you are that parent who tells their kid they can't be a fairy princess, or batman or whatever, and that unicorns and wizards aren't real?

No, I don't think that's the case. When they say they're going to marry their best friend of the same gender, do you go, "No! You can't say that! You don't know if you're gay or not!". I suspect you don't. Yet, when it comes to gender identity, it's somehow a special case. Children have to be set right, they have to be corrected. For reasons.

If your daughter comes up to you today and says, "I am a boy and my name is Tom", then she's not going to be at all confused by you calling her Tom, because that what she chose.

If she wakes up the next day and decides that she's not a boy anymore and she wants her old name back, again she won't be confused by you switching back, because that's what she picked.

The cost to you is zero. Literally no skin off your nose.

Hold on, you are really muddying the waters here. Pretending a child is spiderman or a princess or whatever is normal - the difference is the child is not going to turn 18 and think they are fvckin spiderman. It's temporary fantasy fulfillment and it's totally natural.

My daughter turning around to me at 4 years old and saying her name is Tom and she's a boy? No darling you are not a boy, you are a girl. Simple correction, end of the story. There is a huge difference.

Spiderman is "imaginary", so you are entertaining the child by letting them use their "imagination". You'd be surprised at how much time a child can get lost in pretending to be a princess etc.

The fact they are a boy or a girl is not imaginary - it's a biological fact. A child confusing themselves by claiming to be the opposite has zero value in "imagination play" - there is literally nothing to be gained by playing along with that. We can play an hour of princess in the castle or we can play an hour of me calling you Tom and pretending you are a fella - which one do you think is going to hold the childs interest longer?

It's a very delicate and complicated area. This is a fascinating article which really helped with my understanding. Yes its the Guardian, but it is well worth a read (a long one at that)

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/24/shaky-acceptance-transgender-kids-families-fight-for-inclusion

Just as well we don't make policy based on internet science and psychology then.

This level of general ignorance plays well into the publishers of the original article that started this thread.

Must be easy to make money from "news" sources these days.

What are you gibbering about? Our government has literally formed policy around trans issues based on internet science and pop psychology, with a dash of pathological altruism, that has proved to be a downright danger to children's wellbeing.

Do.you have any kind of experience or insight into how a child who wants to be referred to in a certain way, and the school complies but the parents don't, then it's the school that are causing confusion to the child?