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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 531 ✭✭✭thebronze14


    Unfortunately had to visit A and E last night. Thought I would be tested for covid. Was delighted I didn't have to be



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭davemckenna25


    Were you admitted or showing symptoms of Covid19?

    If not I see no reason you should be tested.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    Only test you if they are keeping you in I think if non covid related



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,392 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    14 day incidence today is 534 vs 526 last week. Growth has slowed to a crawl so hopefully a sign of peaking.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,237 ✭✭✭Azatadine




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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The announcement is a bit of a surprise but what would they be doing now that the emergency is all but over.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,237 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    I know but it still caught me by surprise. I thought they'd wait until well beyond the peak before an announcement like that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    Anyone else not really believing this? Or like that on September 20th there will be significant changes? I am just so used to bad news I can’t quite believe/see it....I just feel like something else will happen in next or two....



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    I believe the government want to move on the date and there are conditions to September 20th but it looks like we'll satisfy them. NPHET's time is almost up with over 90% of adults likely to be vaccinated very soon and it is now time for the government to make decisions on its own.



  • Registered Users Posts: 713 ✭✭✭gral6


    There was never any point in Nphet at any given time.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    That is completely untrue, it was essential to concentrate their level of expertise on one goal in the face of a novel disease in order to manage our way through it. You may dislike some of what they did but we needed them and for last year in particular we should be grateful we had such a body.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,570 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Likely a political stunt and good chance they will change their mind. Ridiculous to mention a date. They need to use targets such as hospital numbers, vaccination progress or infection numbers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    I wish you hadn’t said that - you could well be right....It’s more a psychological thing for me - I can’t quite believe it - in my head I’ve definitely prepared myself for a winter of restrictions....



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983




  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Hospital numbers are manageable and likely to fall soon, vaccinations are brilliant and infections are in the 16-29 group who have a far lower risk of becoming hospital numbers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    Of course there was, comments like these are hilarious!



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The end of NPHET is a psychological nod that this is over and a reminder that "This too shall pass" is true.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,133 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    You might not always like the decision but in a pandemic you absolutely do need the input of virologists and epidemiologists and medical knowledge. Otherwise we would be depending on unqualified TDs to make decisions who could be a publican or a teacher . Yes NPHET had a role and we needed that expert knowledge



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,033 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    People were doing fierce whinging when they weren't giving fixed dates..

    It does seem a bit sudden, but we'll see what happens. Posters whose raison d'etre seems to be complaining about nphet will be at a loss.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Nphet was needed at the start of this that’s not in doubt.but as time went on legimate questions of nphet and houlihan in particular needed asking too.I’m sure in time whenever this whole thing is looked into there will be fall out from it.the minutes of meetings etc will make for interesting reading and if power became too centralised in one person



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,962 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    I happen to think he's correct in saying that but for different reasons. We already have a national emergency task force who do a fantastic job in crisis management. NPHET wasn't needed, it should have been under the existing emergency task force to coordinate the different departments with input from experts such as those that eventually made up NPHET. Let's not forget that NPHET was the brainchild of Leo and his department back at the start of this and went against policy at the time. Instead we got a single issue group that relied on an abundance of caution and to hell with any other consideration.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users Posts: 713 ✭✭✭gral6


    The only expert knowledge Nphet provided us with was expert knowledge of endless lockdowns. Nothing else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Instead we got a single issue group that relied on an abundance of caution and to hell with any other consideration.

    Which they stated regularly themselves, however it's been more about the dynamics of government vis a vis NHPET. The FG version of it fobbed off NPHET on things like MHQ and were more inclined to tolerate a seemingly higher level of risk. Christmas changed all of that when it became the NHPET only show and it's only now we start to see government decisions beginning to emerge.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    That's completely incorrect and you know it, not the biggest fan of Nphet but of course they were needed, are you just spewing nonsense for likes or something or are you really that uninformed?



  • Registered Users Posts: 553 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    Listening to Brendan O'Connor now announcing the papers reporting the lifting of restrictions.

    Head of the vaccination programme on talking about wrapping it up, hitting 90% & picking up any stragglers.

    Dare we dream it's over



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,426 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    NPHET consistently used the bluntest tools available to steer us through this. At no point did they ever offer creative solutions that indicated that they had any trust in the public.

    My personal opinion here of course but I always got the impression that they didn’t have a high opinion of the majority of the people in the country. Some would perhaps just see this as simply an abundance of caution.

    Their lack of trust in the public manifested itself in the primary use of fear as a tool to ensure compliance. For me this is where a line was crossed. We had the state broadcaster working with NPHET and advocacy groups to shift the Overton window in an attempt to shape and create boundary’s of acceptable discourse and public opinion.

    I think Ireland is somewhat of an outlier in Europe. We were the only country airing daily briefings to announce cases and deaths for long periods during the pandemic. We even had a special guest at one of the briefings. A doctor who had a bad case of Covid and lived to recount his harrowing tale. We had a CMO using his personal Twitter account to express his disgust at people socialising outdoors resulting in police baton charges 24 hours later. We absolutely crippled the hospitality industry far more than was necessary in my opinion.

    I’m all too aware that a huge proportion of the public and indeed posters here had no issues with how this was managed and I’ve no interest in getting into a back and forth about it but I would hope that a time will come where some questions can be publicly put to the government, NPHET and the state broadcaster.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,278 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    With a majority of restrictions looking likely to be fully phased out before winter, we’ve the ISAG mouth piece as of late giving lectures daily on Twitter. I actually feel sorry for her, I know her field is architecture and specialist in air filtration but she’s been totally brainwashed, by ISAG!




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,570 ✭✭✭jackboy


    It’s not over. They need to get started on boosters before we have a problem. If we do that the impact of covid this winter could be very small. If we hold off we could end up with NPHET being back and more restrictions.

    one thing we should have learned from the pandemic is not to ignore what is going on in other countries. If Israel and the US are going for boosters you can be damn sure we need to get cracking with them also.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I’m sure isag will be on Pravda/rte next week spouting non stop fear.tiresome and a scandal.would love to know where there funds we’re coming from.no doubt Gerry Killeen will be sharpening his Hurley to pull hard on the non believers



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