What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

There's no poverty trap in Ireland, there's only bad choices and politicians enabling them for short term gains. It's easier to pay welfare now rather than push people into education to be able to provide a better life for themselves after some years.

You're right of course, no conversations at all about the expansion of the EU and how that would lead to more and more people coming to Ireland. Yeah, none of that happened.

And if you still think it didn't happen, just look at how conservatives talk about every topic which involves tany change which might be argued by some as being progressive. That gets an automatic no and resistance from those who are petrified at the thought of change.

You guys have an uncanny ability to close your eyes to the reality of what is happening now and has happened in the past. Exact same with the BLM conversation in 2020 and rigidly ignoring the fact that the same accusations that were aimed at those protestors were aimed at the civil rights marchers of the 60's.

I’m not changing anything to whatever I want it to mean at all. You said “you people” and when I asked you what you meant by that, all you could say was “if the cap fits”, which doesn’t tell me anything?

You’re trying to make a cap fit, but it doesn’t, and you’re certainly not going to pull the wool over anyone’s eyes either with your fearmongering nonsense and your faux concern for the Irish taxpayer and all the rest of it. You also brought up that whole “white guilt” nonsense when I never mentioned anything about the colour of anyone’s skin or anything else, which is what made me think your whole shtick is rehearsed. The “you people” bit confirms it while you’re trying to convince anyone your only interests are in preserving Irish culture and protecting the natives (and some shìte about tribalism).

You don’t preserve a culture by keeping it to yourself, that is in fact the quickest way a culture dies out.

If you are going to quote me quote me Fandymo. But you won't because I haven't said anything like your are trying to imply.

Don't make up something and ascribe it to me.

I have said consistently that this thread is about multiculturalism in Ireland. Because eh lol look at the title and read it to yourself. What do you think the title means?

If you really want to compare Ireland to Belgium france or any other country that has a colonial past in Africa, Asia and the americas then we would need to begin the comparison there.

Because historically ireland is different to those countries isn't it?

You can't just cherry pick the bits you want to compare and ignore the rest.

Well actually that's not true as this thread shows many will try but it would be very stupid to do so.

But then if you want to do that is a thread on multiculturalism in Ireland the right place. Would it not be of topic and actually a discussion on colonial history and the implications for today?

So wibbs what is it in human nature do you think that is causing this disparity in integrating that you see with those of african heritage. Is it genetic to you?

Or are you trying to say that all humans are inherently racist?

So its not genetic and its not inherent in humans so its a learned trait then?

You called yourself a communist so I assume you fall on the nurture side then. Or are you special and you alone don't fall into these left right ways of thinking?

Complains about subtle digs then throws overt insults 🙄. Grow up man.

Questioning reading comprehension gets posters banned but it is ok for wibbsy the communist not left leaning nor right leaning he is just hanging out there in his own political spectrum throwing insults. Everyone else has to be one or the other but not you. So you are deeming yourself special wibbarooney.

I was even gung ho enough for "multiculturalism" until the more I looked at it the more it seemed like a very naive set of empty promises, not least for those groups least like the native populations coming in. A politic based on hoping human nature would change rather than acknowledging how human nature actually works in day to day realities.

Maybe looking at it where you see promises of any sort whether that be in the media, in political announcements or even commentary from public bodies or groups advocating for multiculturalism will invariably lead to believe that they are false. The same could be said about a lot of other topics.

But look at the continued integration of people and cultural practices at an individual level and when you see just how it is happening seamlessly in the vast majority of cases. Both in practice, and in views towards it, there are extremists, at both sides, but (like any Bell curve), the majority of cases or views in the middle are not representative of these.

The ‘negatives’ so far which have been ascribed to multiculturalism are more to do with groups of humans having to share a confined space and wanting everything their own way.

It’s taking a very narrow view of culture to suggest that culture is only based upon one single criteria such as ethnicity or heritage when the concept is so much broader than that. Different cultures exist within Irish society without immigrants ever being part of Irish society, and what’s happening is much of what’s been argued here is about self-preservation, not multiculturalism.

By way of example, posters have argued that increased immigration increases tensions between different groups of people in Irish society. That’s not as a consequence of multiculturalism, it’s as a consequence of one group or groups trying to impose their values on another group or groups. That’s not multiculturalism, it’s an attempt at assimilation. That doesn’t tend to work out well for anyone with groups resisting assimilation and wanting to maintain their own separate culture and heritage and traditions and so on.

Multiculturalism itself isn’t the problem, people trying to impose their will upon others in order to eradicate their culture, are A problem, for people who wish to maintain their culture and heritage and traditions.

This is the key test that all advocates of mass migration desperately dodge. Open border and mass migration is a government policy. Does this policy help or hinder indigenous Irish people? Consider basic economics, supply and demand. Does it help or hinder low skilled indigenous Irish people that the supply of cheap labour is expanded to the entire world population? Does it help or hinder high skilled indigenous Irish people that the supply of highly paid labour is expanded to the entire world population? Does it help or hinder indigenous Irish people that the demand for housing is expanded to be enough to house the world? Does it help or hinder Irish people that increasing environmental damage is done to build enough apartment blocks, roads and services? Does it help or hinder indigenous Irish people that existing transport networks suffer greater and greater congestion with more and more cars? Does it help or hinder indigenous Irish people that economically dependent groups on non-indigenous people are formed? Does it help or hinder indigenous Irish people that they must live in a society under increasingly restrictive laws regarding freedom of expression to avoid conflict with newly formed non-Irish groups? Does it help or hinder indigenous Irish people that they are increasingly disenfranchised and diminished within their own homeland?

I can quite clearly see the benefits of mass migration to the super wealthy, rent seekers and the migrants themselves. But still, even now with 1 in 5 Irish residents having been born abroad, the majority of Irish voters the government claims fealty to are not served by this policy of mass migration. Any reasonable person would agree it should be ended.

It is an awful policy, against the interests of the Irish people. A foreign, hostile power might be reasonably expected to carry it out. Not an Irish government with the best interests of the Irish people as their primary concern.